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Terrorists Flying Planes Legally? - Government Lies and Your Future
email and the net - go see! ^ | 10/12/01 | Ron C. (passing on word from others)

Posted on 10/12/2001 9:19:58 PM PDT by Ron C.

"We are doing everything possible to protect the security of Americans." How many times have you heard that? Don't believe a word of it. Here you'll see and learn why.

From what I can tell, potential terrorists can be flying commercial planes legally, and could easily be working within most of the aviation industry of the US with the blessing of our government - and nothing is being done to halt that possibility from my perspective.

But as bad as that possibility is, equally deadly is the policy of government to allow greedy corporate employers to decimate the economy of the US through the destruction of the job market for Americans. Jobs are being given to aliens that take less money, send it out of the country and potentially support anti-American nations, if not terrorism itself. Meanwhile, those companies expose our industry secrets, practices and technological expertise to a host of known and potential enemies.

To get a taste of how corporate greed and government complicity in undermining your personal security - and that of the nation - take this little tour. You will have follow directions here carefully.

Click on THIS LINK, at which point you must do the following:

  1. click on Advanced Search on the left side of the page (a new browser window will open)
  2. under Select a Job Category - scroll down to Professional: Airline Pilots and Navigators and highlight it by clicking on it
  3. under Select a State - highlight California
  4. at the bottom of the page, click on Submit Query (if you get ‘missing data' hit the back button and re-submit query)
You'll be presented with two pages of aviation employers looking to hire non-immigrant nationals - at the bottom of the page hit the NEXT button. You'll see one company that is a few blocks from my home in Van Nuys that offered $110,000 per year to an H-1B non-immigrant pilot. That disturbs me because I've seen, and continue to see, some pretty shady characters around Van Nuys airport, the largest private and commercial airport in the nation.

For a little more of an eye-opener, close the search results window and go back to the beginning and do the same search - and select ‘Search all States' for the pilots and navigators. You'll see more than enough to question whether ‘everything possible is being done' to protect us from terrorists gaining potentially dangerous knowledge and expertise from within the aviation industry.

Last I want to share with you the email that has pointed to this information - and its impact on the lives of Americans attempting to compete in the job market with aliens given preference over them. Note that the main page of zazona has quite a bit of information about the H-1B policy, and the ramifications it has to national security, and your safety, as well as information about those aviation industries that figured in the WTC attack The website states:

    H-1B is one of many temporary nonimmigrant worker visa bills that allows companies in the United States to hire foreign workers.

    In the year 2001 over 195,000 more of these workers will be allowed into The United States. More than 671,000 H-1B workers will be employed in the U.S. by the end of 2001.

If this doesn't raise some eyebrows - and cause you to question the ‘everything possible' lie, nothing will.

I would highly recommend you do more than contact Congress and sign the petition. Three people need to hear from us in no uncertain terms. The President, the Vice President and the National Security Advisor CONDOLEEZZA RICE. Now here's that email, and I'm sure ‘John' would not mind hearing some support from you (link enhancement and emphasis are mine):

From: "John" <unemployed_engineer@nettaxi.com>
Subject: Where Did All The Jobs Go? - The H-1B Situation
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 11:01 PM

Where Did All The Jobs Go? - The H-1B Situation

I am a software engineer living in Silicon Valley. Since February, I have been looking for work. My job skills are current and I have experience working at software, biotech and semiconductor firms. During this time, I have submitted hundreds of resumes for various positions. I have only had a few job interviews. However, those interviews were quite informative. For example, on a recent interview, I immediately noticed that the software managers and engineers were from other countries since English was not their first language. This appears to be the situation at all the companies I have recently interviewed with.

I was aware that Congress had recently doubled the number of H-1B visas for skilled foreign workers. "The H-1B nonimmigrant program is a voluntary program that allows employers to temporarily import and employ nonimmigrants admitted under H-1B visas to fill specialized jobs not filled by U.S. workers."

US Dept. of Labor - H-1B final rule

Each company hiring an H-1B employee is required to file a Labor Condition Application (LCA). An LCA is an application filed by a company that wants to hire a foreign national to fill a position within the United States. With this in mind, I wanted to determine how many engineering positions were filled by H-1B engineers at a given company. Since this should be public information, I went to my trusty search engine looking for a LCA database. For some reason, it does not appear that the INS (http://www.ins.gov) or other government web sites provide a LCA database. However, I finally found a web site which has a LCA database at: http://www.zazona.com/ShameH1B

The database link is at (http://www.zazona.com/LCA-Data). Their advanced database search is very helpful. For example in the advanced search, select the state as California, enter a city as Santa Clara, enter the employer name as Hewlett Packard and enter number of records as 100 then press the submit query button. You can see the positions and salaries of the H-1B employees. Looking at the data, we are not talking about a few dozen positions. We are talking about literally hundreds of positions. This is only for the HP offices in Santa Clara. Go back and do the above search but leave the enter a city blank. You will see that Hewlett Packard employs hundreds and hundreds of H-1B workers. Moreover, we are not only losing engineering jobs but H-1B visas are being granted for almost any conceivable position. Just look at the LCA database to see what types of jobs are being denied to U.S. citizens.

This appears to be the only site with a LCA database so I was wondering who created the site. There is an interesting article about its creator at http://www.thestandard.com

Following the recent tragic events, many large firms have instigated massive layoffs. Many engineers have been unable to find work for months. As mentioned above, the H-1B program allows employers to temporarily import and employ non U.S. citizens to fill specialized jobs not filled by U.S. workers. Go back and look at the list of jobs filled at Hewlett Packard by H-1B employees. I personally know of many individuals who are qualified for those positions but are unable to find work. Something is seriously wrong.

I've been told by many hiring agencies that companies now prefer to hire H-1B workers and work them long hours at lower wages - knowing they won't say anything fearing they would lose their H-1B status. At my last firm, the engineering manager had his engineers working many weekends. When one of the H-1B engineers complained, he said that there were plenty of engineers in Taiwan that wanted his place. I have heard other engineers say that managers like to threaten H-1B engineers with losing their H-1B status unless they do exactly what they are told. I've also heard and personally noticed that many companies are hiring H-1B managers with the expressed purpose of having them fill engineering positions with H- 1B engineers from their respective country. Many companies are finding this an inexpensive way to lower costs.

I believe with the current economic conditions the H-1B issue will become a very important topic in the coming months. Frankly, the media and press have not discussed the seriousness of this subject. Why? I believe they did not have the tools and databases required to see the size of the problem. Fortunately, the LCA data is now available at (www.zazona.com/ShameH1B). You can now determine how many and what type of jobs are being denied to unemployed U.S. citizens at a given company and location. What needs to be done to correct this grievous situation.

Congress needs to immediately change the law such that companies must provide immediate employment to qualified unemployed U.S. citizens if an H-1B employee is filling a position a citizen is qualified for. When a company has layoffs, the law should force that company to discharge H-1B employees before U.S. citizens. Let me repeat that the H-1B law says "specialized jobs not filled by U.S. workers". The law was clearly not intended to deny U.S. citizens jobs but this is precisely what it is doing.

Many companies will cry that there are not qualified replacements. I offer them the following challenge. Let me look at each position taken by an H-1B employee. Then let me find an unemployed citizen with similar qualifications. I personally know many unemployed individuals who are qualified for these positions.

Frankly, the U.S. is one of the few countries which now offers unlimited access to its job market at the expense of its own citizens. While going to college, if I had any idea that most of the engineering positions would be taken by H-1B labor, I would never have become an engineer. I advise young people not to become involved in engineering since companies find it easier to hire less expensive foreign labor. The H-1B managers prefer to hire more foreign labor - it's only human nature - so you have a vicious cycle. The end result is that U.S. citizens need not apply.

The recent terrorist events have shown the importance of having U.S. technology handled by U.S. citizens. If the current H-1B situation is not immediately changed, U.S. citizens will abandon the engineering field and our entire technology industry will be controlled by non-citizens. Think about it. You just lost your job and go to the LCA database to learn that 25 H-1B employees are still working in your position. You will not be a happy camper. What can you do to help?

Email this article to all your friends.

Encourage them to look at the LCA database. http://www.zazona.com/LCA-Data/ The job they are losing may be on the list.

Your most powerful action is to write your U.S. Congressperson and Senators. Remember, H-1B employees cannot vote but as a U.S. citizen, your vote counts. Even though powerful companies have heavily contributed to your congressional leaders to keep the H-1B laws in place, companies cannot vote - only you can. Don't let your job be eliminated next.

You can find your congressional representative at these links. Your Congressperson
http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Your Senators
http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm

Sign the petition. You will find a petition to send to your congressional representatives at

http://www.zazona.com/H1BPetition/P/petition.html

And finally, don't forget to make a phone call to your local Congressperson and write your local newspaper.

Unemployed Engineer unemployed_engineer@nettaxi.com


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Editorial; Extended News
KEYWORDS: h1bvisas
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To: Ron C.
Ron, I have one question for you. Is it your position that the US government is responsible for safeguarding people's jobs?
41 posted on 10/13/2001 2:41:23 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: WileyCoyote22
Bump.
43 posted on 10/13/2001 3:30:57 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Ron C.
Here is how I see it. I am not sure how much of this jibes with your perceptions or beliefs, or how prevalent this viewpoint is.

I think that the collectivists, the Marxists, won't just look to defeat our system from the outside. They look at all of this as a war, all of politics. And just as we will take an enemy airfield and then use it instead of just blowing it up, I think that the Marxists most certainly will try to use our own assets against us.

I have no doubt that they have been, for many a year, encouraging laws to be passed which would discourage small to mid-sized companies, but allow the megacorporations to flourish. This would create a marketplace with fewer of these powerful conglomerates, but they would be immensely powerful and large.

Fewer targets means it is easier to gain tremendous influence just by gaining control of one or two.

Then I look at who would benefit from such efforts. I see the unions, who sometimes have trouble breaking into mid-sized companies and find that small companies don't have enough of a workforce to unionize, and I see a group that would also love to concentrate the businesses into larger corporations.

I see all that, and I know that those on the left who want to bring down our system of private property and individual ownership would have seen this, and would therefore be trying to do it.

And I think they would do it by doing the things that give large corporations the advantage over the smaller ones. One such way is by increasing overhead costs via regulation; the smaller the base on which to spread overhead, the more painful the cost to the bottom line. Ergonomics rules and other OSHA regulations are handy this way. So are EPA guidelines and DOE orders. All of these are giving a tremendous advantage to the largest of companies.

Yet we demonize the super rich and quibble over their income tax rate. Do you think they care about that 5% of income, when they hold tremendous positions in the companies that benefit from government enabling these megacorporations? Heck no. And some of them, the ones like Soros, are exactly the type of comerades who are needed at the top levels of our capitalist system in order to help use its lobbying power against us.

If we try to stop them by calling them greedy corporations and demonizing them, our opponents use our own words against us by expanding the horizon a bit and including ALL corporations in the discussion, and suddenly the legislation which would counter the disadvantage the small and medium sized corporations face gets smeared as a tax break for the wealthy or another bit of Republican corporate welfare at the expense of the working man with our own words giving them ammunition.

The only other way to stop them is by shining the light of truth on them, which is difficult because they overwhelmingly control the media and the truth is complicated to explain, and impossible within the soundbyte.

45 posted on 10/13/2001 7:44:27 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Hugh Akston

"...impossible within the soundbyte."

I've been chewing on it, Hugh. Perhaps it is possible to 'finger' the perps with a sound-bite. For a long time I've been thinking of the enemy as 'socialist corporations.'

That's quick and to the point. It won't sit well, but it nails them as they are. A socialist loves monopoly status, owns all the power, has all the cards, has no or little competition, undermines any that does exist, and lobbies government for every advantage - mostly successful. BTW, unions are friends of the socialist corporation - at least the leaders of most unions are - but not the rank-and-file.

We need to put our heads together and come up with more sound-bites to work from. Nailing a few, and then using them will allow explanation, discovery - the proverbial 'talking points.' This can be used to get the real message out to the guy on the street who really doesn't have a grip on what is going on.

Once we start picking and using these terms here, you can bet the phrases will get picked up by talk-show hosts and they will become common talking-points in short order. What say ye? Have you a better idea? I'd like to hear from others on this thread as well. The left is always coming out with their name-tags - I figure we are behind on the curve and need to nail-down several of our own.

(Note carefully: those who work for socialist corporations are not all part of the problem. Mostly it is policy set at the highest levels. We've seen it a thousand times. What we have to start doing is nailing the policies as socialist. And we have to 'lump it' into the term 'socialist corporations' - in order to attain the needed starting point - that talking point the left is so adept at creation of. Once we do that, then the whole can be dissected as needed.)

47 posted on 10/13/2001 8:10:59 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: WileyCoyote22
Throw in some corporate charity giving, which provides a nice little method for taking corporate money and turning it, tax free, into donations to charities which operate with a goal of undermining our country, all while getting some nice publicity (which helps the lobbying efforts to boot).
48 posted on 10/13/2001 8:13:42 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.
Agreed, except for one thing. While socialist corporations is an accurate term, the word socialist does not have the requisite bite, in my opinion. Way too many people in this country openly think that some socialism is ok (paging Bill O'Reilly, paging Bill O'Reilly).

We need another word, just as accurate if not more so, which does not have the same general acceptence by the public at this time.

I'll stew on it.

49 posted on 10/13/2001 8:17:22 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.
This is it, and this is what I think must be distilled to its most potent form:
A socialist loves monopoly status, owns all the power, has all the cards, has no or little competition, undermines any that does exist, and lobbies government for every advantage - mostly successful.

50 posted on 10/13/2001 8:18:46 PM PDT by Hugh Akston
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To: Ron C.
H-1B's are also connected with the "deemed export" regulation.

Hiring foreign nationals to work on sensitive technology is called a "deemed export" and needs an export license.

Read all about it at http://www.bxa.doc.gov.

At the same time, the government's review of export licenses has been gutted.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3af2567722df.html.

So foreign terrorists can come and legally get training on full motion simulators, which aren't export controlled. If they were export controlled, the schools would need an export license to enroll these students.

52 posted on 10/13/2001 8:39:20 PM PDT by pttttt
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To: Prodigal Daughter
Thanks for the flag, PD.
53 posted on 10/13/2001 8:48:54 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: pttttt
Thanks very much for your most pertinent addition. There is always more behind the scenes where our government is concerned than that which first meets the eye - or ear. 8^)
54 posted on 10/13/2001 8:50:26 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Ron C.
Great work Ron C. I signed the petition and will pass it on to friends.

Checking out the different states I found something interesting in Macomb, Illinois. A company named Tatco Biotech Inc., is recruiting thru H-1B. Now I don't know what kind of Biotech company this is but it raises my curiosity as to what KINDS OF THINGS MIGHT BE LOADED ONTO PLANES AND FLOWN AROUND IN OUR AIRSPACE.

This is way out of hand.

55 posted on 10/13/2001 9:05:39 PM PDT by slimer
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To: Ron C.
Thanks for the heads up. Scary stuff going on these days! It is almost like our country has been run by the criminally insane.....oh I forgot....it was the Clinton Administration.
57 posted on 10/13/2001 11:19:13 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Ron C.
Bump
58 posted on 10/14/2001 11:10:23 PM PDT by slimer
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To: Black Jade
Thank you for the link. I had seen reference to that article, but had not seen it yet. Going there now.
60 posted on 10/15/2001 4:48:32 AM PDT by Le-Roy
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