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Demand for Japanese vehicles pushed the Big Three's market share to an all-time low in 2004
MLive.com ^ | January 5, 2005 | JOHN PORRETTO

Posted on 01/05/2005 6:21:13 AM PST by wmichgrad

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To: maui_hawaii; Dasaji
Saving a buck at the expense of good design. It seems like the design criteria is "will they still buy it if we XXXXX", not "Is it a good design?".
Dasaji has a good point in that with all the imported raw goods now, you really don't know how much supports our economy. Maybe looking at where it is assembled would be a better factor.

Cordially,
GE
21 posted on 01/05/2005 6:53:47 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: wmichgrad
December 2003 I test drove every SUV that met the requirements for the tax break (6000 GVW) on new vehicles.

I really wanted to buy US and did not even consider foreign made until after I had test driven EVERYTHING the Big 3 had to offer.

IMHO all the American cars were nothing more than big boxes. Pickups with the body enclosed, seats added and some things for the gadget freak.

Toyota Sequoia was the same.

Hummer - What an overrated box for the wannabe SEAL! Brinks trucks have bigger windows!

Drove the Nissan Armada and wouldn't let them take it back to the dealer. Sports car ride with plenty of legroom . Back seat actually has more legroom than the front seats. An engine that gives a whole new meaning to the word "zoom." Better gas mileage on its big V-8 than on my Jeep Cherokee with a straight six. 16 around town and 19 on the highway. Average speed from CT to SC last Thanksgiving was 66.9. Gas mileage? MPG for the entire 1900 mile round trip was 19.1.

22 posted on 01/05/2005 6:56:05 AM PST by N. Theknow (Today's oxymoron: Happily Married)
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To: bowzer313

I'd thought about buying a new Sienna this year, but decided to wait for the Hybrid version which will be out in a few years. Found a nice 2003 Town & Country LTD AWD, with low mileage, so that will hold us over until the hybrid Sienna comes along.


23 posted on 01/05/2005 6:56:57 AM PST by SuziQ (It's the most wonderful time of the year!)
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To: maui_hawaii

The big Toyota Camry plant is in Kentucky, Georgetown, I think.


24 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:27 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: 2banana

....I wish unions would stick to union issues....

Politics is a union issue. Politics allows what they cherish most.....more pay less work or get some one else to do the work for you. Politics is mother's milk to the great American (Union) Working Man who is always looking for how to get out of work while recieving the same or greater wage.


25 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:36 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic.....)
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To: 2banana
I feel like I am supporting the enemy knowing that the union will use my money (wages and dues) to support every left wing socialist nut in the next election.

Good point. I like buying BMW's because the German auto unions are crippling the German economy, while building great cars, making Germany less influential in the world.

26 posted on 01/05/2005 6:57:59 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: GrandEagle

....When our economy collapses .....
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No pain, no gain. Cancer surgery can be painful.


27 posted on 01/05/2005 7:00:09 AM PST by bert (Don't Panic.....)
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To: bowzer313
As a customer, when I have to pay as much for a new vehicle as I used to pay for a house, it damn well better last nearly as long as a house!

Good point. American cars don't last. How many 10 yearto 15 year old American cars do you see on the road that actually look decent?? Conversely, I see tons of 1988-1994 BMW's and Volvos that look almost new.

28 posted on 01/05/2005 7:01:24 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bowzer313

I always buy GM cars. Mine always seem to last far over 200,000 without any major problems. My oldest car (and most trustworthy) is a 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix. It has 198,00 miles, has been in 1 wreck, has been driven on dirt roads a lot (I live on a farm), and has had no problems exept for normal maintenance stuff like an alternator.


29 posted on 01/05/2005 7:02:51 AM PST by loreldan
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To: 1Old Pro

I have been driving a Nissan since 1997, 160K and never been in the shop. The big 3 can't boost this.

My next one will be a Nissan Titan, built in my home stae Of Mississippi. Why drive a Mexican Ford or Canuck Chevy?


30 posted on 01/05/2005 7:03:12 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Why do Red States have Blue Senators?)
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To: bert
Politics is a union issue. Politics allows what they cherish most.....more pay less work or get some one else to do the work for you. Politics is mother's milk to the great American (Union) Working Man who is always looking for how to get out of work while recieving the same or greater wage.

I disagree - I have heard union presidents/leaders come out for gun control, for abortion, higher taxes, against immigration controls, for socialized medicine, etc. What the heck do these issues have to do with running a union?

31 posted on 01/05/2005 7:03:19 AM PST by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine; Dasaji
Here is a good and related thread.

Defining an American Car.

32 posted on 01/05/2005 7:04:17 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: GrandEagle

I think it possible that the union (and bureaucratic) regulations are a main reason for the departure of heavy industry from our shores. The market is like a force of nature, hard to deny its power.

I have a hard time buying an American car, not only are they stodgy, they aren't very high quality (with maybe a couple exceptions, like the Cadillac). For the money, you are better off with Japanese, I think.

'Course, I drive a '96 4x4 Dodge pickup, but then, I don't think there is any foreigner to compete with that. But my wife has a Saab Aero, there's just nothing like it made here.


33 posted on 01/05/2005 7:04:22 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: bowzer313
a single American car that has the performance and reliability track record of the Accord.
I've not had a problem.
My last pickup was a 1991 Dodge Dakota. I sold it at 345,000 miles. The guy that bought it still drives it. It just got too small for me.
I them bought a 1995 F-150 (used) with 104,000 miles on it. It now has 410,000 miles on it and is still rolling just fine. It does eat brakes every 40,000 or so miles though.
Neither of these have had any major problems other than normal maintenance, and 2 water pumps and an A/C compressor on the Dakota.
We have a 1995 Thunderbird that we bought new. It has 145,000 miles on it and looks and drived brand new. We have done nothing to it other than normal maintenance.
I could go on, First car 1962 Chrysler 230,000 when it reacted to the tree I tried to insert into the body.
1969 Dodge 265,000 miles (I did wear out the front suspension on this one - lack on maintenance)
1967 Chevelle - not too good of a car here.
1975 Pontiac - New 295,000 miles when gas just got too high. No problems with it.
1987 Thunderbird Turbo coupe. new 195,000 miles with no problems.
1992 Dodge Daytona New - rolling pile of scrap.
1994 Nissan New - Scrap
1990 Mustang new, 110,000 miles one it when I sold it - no problems, looked and drove like new.

Cordially
GE
34 posted on 01/05/2005 7:08:04 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: 2banana

i agree.

but i made a mistake of buying the only new american auto of my lifetime. previously i had purchased japanese.

the japanese cars are superior.

my new chevrolet had several things that fell apart immediately afterwards, not to mention that i go screwed by the dealership. chevrolet handled my complaints in an unprofessional manner.

my next car will be japanese and any agreements between me and the dealer will be in writing.

i hope gm goes broke.


35 posted on 01/05/2005 7:09:50 AM PST by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen! (/s))
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To: 1Old Pro
1988-1994 BMW's
LOL! Had to chuckle on this one.
That is because they sit in the shop all the time!
Friend of mine is a big BMW fan - has three of them.
I've towed them all home at least once, most of them more than that.

GE
36 posted on 01/05/2005 7:10:35 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: loreldan

I had a Chevy K-5 Blazer for awhile, forget what year, '87 I think. I liked it at first, but at about 85,000 miles the whole thing started falling apart. I got tired of spending money on it and got rid of it. I feel leery about GM products as a result.


37 posted on 01/05/2005 7:11:56 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: GrandEagle

anecdotal doesn't convince me. I see with my eyes.


38 posted on 01/05/2005 7:12:29 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: bowzer313
looks and drived brand new.
For those who do not live in Alabama that would be DRIVES LOL!
39 posted on 01/05/2005 7:13:01 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
If we continue to avoid American automobiles, the very last industry left here in the States will be gone.

Baloney.

Japanese auto manufacturers are opening new plants right here in the U.S. with boring regularity. In fact, one of the most idiotic aspects of the whole industry is that many "domestic" Big Three cars are either made in Canada or made in the U.S. out of components assembled in Mexico -- while "foreign" brands such as Honda, Nissan, and Toyota are made right here in the U.S.

40 posted on 01/05/2005 7:21:33 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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