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projo.com ^ | 04-04-04 | JENNIFER LEVITZ

Posted on 04/05/2004 8:16:18 AM PDT by SheLion

Smoked out

Some companies now forbid workers to smoke anywhere on their property -- not on the sidewalk, not even in their cars in the parking lot.

01:00 AM EST on Sunday, April 4, 2004

BY JENNIFER LEVITZ
Journal Staff Writer

Everyone knows you can't smoke in the office anymore.

But increasingly, you can't smoke outside work either.

At Rhode Island Hospital, employees have a nickname for their designated outdoor smoking kiosks: butt huts.

The workers, however, could consider themselves indulged that they're allowed to puff on the hospital's sprawling property at all.

Because a few miles away at Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse, in Cranston, employees who want a cigarette must punch out, get in their cars, and drive off store grounds. Workers who sneak a smoke in their cars in the Lowe's parking lot can be disciplined under a corporate policy that went into effect in September. Workers at Beacon Mutual Insurance Co., in Warwick, also aren't allowed to smoke in their cars in the parking lot, or it could lead to a note in their personnel file.

Molly Clark, director of environmental health programs at the American Lung Association of Rhode Island, says the smoke-ban trend is "regulating outdoors as well" as indoors.

Companies send smokers outside, she said, only to find them huddled by the front doors in a cloud of stale smoke.

But the outdoor restrictions aren't only about secondhand smoke and unwelcoming whiffs at the front door.

Some employers, believing that smokers drive up health-care costs, are unabashedly trying to get them to quit. Companies might run into legal problems if they refuse to hire smokers, but they can make it a hassle to be one.

When toymaker Hasbro Inc. created a designated outdoor smoking area last year, "we tried to make it as inconvenient as possible," said Robert Carniaux, senior vice president of human resources. "We were hoping that we might effect some change in behavior."

CHER SILVIA wishes people would stop minding her behavior.

That behavior has included dragging on Dorals for 24 years.

In December, Silvia started RI Rights, an online activism group for Rhode Island smokers, who don't want to see the state go the way of New York and other smoke-free places. Silvia, of Tiverton, is retired and lives in Lake Placid, Fla., but she comes north for the summer.

If Rhode Island starts enacting bans all over, she said last week in a friendly, husky voice, "I can't take it."

She said employers who tell workers they can't smoke in their cars -- or on the property -- have gone too far.

"They're nannies," she said. "They've got to tell us what's best for us. I don't appreciate it at all. I can live my own life the way I want to."

Such workplace bans are ahead of what is required by Rhode Island law. Rhode Island's smoking laws, which have lagged behind those in border states, don't ban smoking in workplaces.

But that may change.

On Thursday, the House leadership introduced legislation that would ban smoking in virtually every public place, including restaurants, shopping malls and private office buildings. The bill would also require that employers who allow their workers to smoke outside "must provide an area which is physically separated from the enclosed workplace so as to prevent the migration of smoke into the workplace."

The bill sponsored by House Majority Leader Gordon D. Fox represents more than six months of negotiations and marks a reversal for the House, which last year allowed similar legislation passed by the Senate to die.

Rep. Elizabeth M. Dennigan, D-East Providence, has been a leader on the smoke-ban issue during her eight years in the House.

"We certainly have more support this year. I think a lot of that has to do with what has happened regionally since we adjourned last year," Dennigan said, referring to New York and the sweeping smoking laws that have passed in Connecticut. Legislation in Massachusetts has passed the House and Senate, and the governor has promised not to veto it.

REGARDLESS of what's happening at the General Assembly, a nonprofit agency called the Worksite Wellness Council of Rhode Island is working with Rhode Island companies to change smoking policies.

The council is an affiliate of the Worksite Wellness Council of America, a national organization started in 1982 by some workers in Omaha, Neb.

The original mission was to "enhance the health and well-being of employees," thereby helping companies save money and time, according to the national council's Web site. The Omaha council's success spurred "cost-conscious" employers in other communities to form their own councils. Rhode Island's Department of Health helped local companies start the wellness council here in 1999.

The Worksite Wellness Council of Rhode Island is now its own nonprofit organization with 150 members. Jeffrey Johnson, vice president of community relations at Beacon Mutual Insurance, is president.

He said the wellness council has used Health Department statistics to "find out what is killing" Rhode Islanders.

"We've tried to take the top five things and try to find grant money and go out and make a critical difference in the workplace," he said.

He said that if employers spend money and time on their workers' health, they can "reduce health-care costs, workers' comp costs," absenteeism -- and boost productivity.

For each of four years now, the local wellness council has received a $50,000 grant from the state's share of federal tobacco money. As part of the $246-billion tobacco settlement of 1998, tobacco companies make annual payments to states.

The wellness council uses the tobacco grant money to send Debra Foley, a consultant, to workplaces. Foley said it is her job to assist employers in achieving a smoke-free status.

Foley has worked with some 175 companies over the past four years.

The majority do have some restrictions on where smoking is allowed outside building, she said.

She knows of 8 or 10 companies that have entirely smoke-free premises. And more are considering it.

"In the last month I have had four companies referred to me that are interested in going to a smoke-free campus," she said.

Policies are the most effective way to encourage smokers to quit smoking, she said.

DR. RICHARD BROWN, director of addictions research at Butler Hospital and Brown University, found it interesting that some companies are enforcing policies as a way not only to keep the air cleaner, but to change habits.

"My personal reaction is that it's a little more controversial," he said.

People tend to not like to have behaviors dictated to them, he said.

He said those workplace smoking policies, however, could be positive if the strict rules are paired with education and support for the smokers. Hasbro, Beacon Mutual, Lowe's and other companies said they did phase in their smoking policies and have offered to help employees quit with smoking cessation-classes and health fairs. Hasbro even brought in a hypnotist.

Beacon Mutual started educating and warning its smokers long before the company moved 2 1/2 years ago from rented offices to its privately owned headquarters overlooking Route 95 in Warwick. As a tenant, it could not stop employees from puffing in the hallways; as owner of its headquarters, it could.

"We told them a year before we moved that there would be no smoking on the grounds," said Johnson, the vice president of community relations.

And that there would be no smoking in the parking lot.

Some employees said, but it's my car. The company told them that they were on private property. "A couple of people did get caught," Johnson said, but it never went beyond a verbal warning. However, future offenses could result in a written warning that would become part of their personnel file.

Once in the new building, the company also banned the informal practice of smoking breaks.

"The rest of the people were saying, 'How come smokers get a break and go outside and we don't?' " Johnson said.

"We said, 'You're absolutely right. That's not fair, because we're rewarding bad behavior.' That's when we said to supervisors, you've got to stay on top of it and make sure smokers are not allowed to take breaks."

MOST OF THE NEW hires come with the understanding that they will have to go until lunchtime without a cigarette. Johnson said Beacon is doing its employees a favor.

"We can't afford to do all these self-destructive behaviors, and people are finally waking up to that fact," he said.

Down in Florida, Cher Silvia, founder of RI Rights, has been collecting data on workplace smoking bans.

Along with running RI Rights, Silvia is a member of Illinois Smokers, Florida Smokers, Florida Rights, Maine Rights, the Smokers Club forum, and more.

"This morning, I opened up 100 e-mails," she said last week. "That's just in the morning. God knows what I get in the day."

One of the big topics for the Internet groups lately is Lowe's Home Improvement Warehouse and its national policy that forbids employees to smoke anywhere on the premises, including in their own cars in the parking lot.

But Lowe's national spokeswoman, Chris Ahearn, said the new policy has worked very well.

She said there have been complaints but just as many comments from employees who like working in a smoke-free environment.

"We're not telling people to stop smoking," Ahearn said. "We're saying don't smoke on our property."

With staff reports by Scott Mayerowitz

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To: Gabz
My mother also had it and lived a miserable life for 9 years,although she did live to an old age,dying at 91.

Sometimes it was funny,though. When she was just having her first signs of memory loss one day she said to me,out of the blue "Do you ever hear from your first husband?" I was driving at the time and almost lost control of the car since I had been married for many years to my first,and only,husband.I think of her every day.

Life is tough,but we just go on, one step at a time.
261 posted on 04/05/2004 6:23:58 PM PDT by Mears (The Killer Queen--caviar and cigarettes)
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To: Mears
We had the funny incidents with "mom" as well. She looked at me one day and asked "When are you going to find yourself a nice young man and settle down, making candy for old ladies is not something a beautiful young lady like you should be doing." Mind you, I wasn't married to her son yet at that point but she was aware (sometimes) we were engaged, and he was in the room with us. Ten minutes later she asked him to remind her of the date of the wedding because she didn't want to miss it.

She wasn't a drinker, other than a glass of wine at a holiday dinner, and she never smoked, yet was gone at 68. Her father, OTOH, was a drinker and a smoker and died in his sleep without any previous sickness at 98.

I don't care what the statistics say.......we will all go when it is our time.
262 posted on 04/05/2004 6:51:54 PM PDT by Gabz (Stress out Streisand.............................DONATE MONTHLY)
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To: SheLion; Mears
Just got home from the hospital. After a battery of tests, they now think Dad has a blood clot in his stomach and a piece has broken off and moved to his lungs. Long day, will catch up with you guys tomorrow. I have to go stay with my Mom tonight.
Thanks for your kind thoughts!
263 posted on 04/05/2004 8:27:40 PM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: wtc911
"Anybody who chooses to engage in any activity that is known to be harmful to their health is engaging in idiotic behaviour. Smokers, junkies, drunks, gays into dangerous sex, anyone into promiscuous un-protected sex, all make choices."

Just like former law enforcement personnell? I would call that line of work dangerous and an activity that is known to be harmful to the health and life of the person's chosing that line of work.
264 posted on 04/06/2004 4:48:21 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: wtc911
"As for the "collectivist" as you call it argument being tired, well, you might be tired of hearing it but that doesn't make it any less true or germaine. Addicts of all stripes, including smokers, do cost the rest of us money and resources."

When did we institute a national health care system? Did we do this without my knowledge? Did we adopt the Canadian system? As far as I know I am still paying for my own insurance and many employers were still offering it as a benefit. Did Hillary get you to join her in the call for a National Health Care system?
265 posted on 04/06/2004 5:04:19 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: T.Smith
"That is childish behavior."

Hi kettle, this is pot.
266 posted on 04/06/2004 5:06:15 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: Kirkwood
"It sure isn't for the money. Do you any idea how much is spent on caring for the indigent in this country whose health has been ruined by cigarettes (among other vices)? Tons."

Please direct us to the proof of this claim.
267 posted on 04/06/2004 5:08:13 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: T.Smith
"You haven't said anything substantive yet."

Hi kettle, this is pot!
268 posted on 04/06/2004 5:22:18 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: T.Smith
">sigh< I've been very patient in my responses to you. I have stated many things as fact that you insist are opinion. I say to you, again, if they are just my opinion then there must be data that runs counter to my opinion. By all means, fish it out and show it to me."

So rather than you posting data that proves your opinion to be fact you have called for others to post data that proves your opinion to be wrong! What a coward!
269 posted on 04/06/2004 5:23:55 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Condoms are perfectly legal to make, purchase, own, or use. Supposedly a private employer is being a 'pushy idiot' to prohibit their use on his or her own private property, and the only way a property owner can discourage their use is by an outright governmental ban, huh?"

Smokin' ain't screwin'.

270 posted on 04/06/2004 5:42:12 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline

Obviously, but the simile serves the purpose of refuting the antics of those who claim that something perfectly legal should always be tolerated under all circumstances and places. I could have chosen from an innumerable list of perfectly legal objects which don't belong on the personal property of the owners who so choose to prohibit their possession and use, such as bag pipes or shotguns.

271 posted on 04/06/2004 5:52:08 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: CSM
Dangerous gay sex and Law Enforcement...the same thing according to CSM....yeah, you've got a case.
272 posted on 04/06/2004 6:17:02 AM PDT by wtc911 (Mind if I smoke? No, mind if I fart? Steve Martin)
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To: CSM
Medicaid, Medicare, SSI disability....ring any bells? Where does that funding come from? Please, don't bother to answer, talking to you tobacco junkies is like reasoning with a Moonie at the airport, a waste of time for all concerned...have a nice life.
273 posted on 04/06/2004 6:20:33 AM PDT by wtc911 (Mind if I smoke? No, mind if I fart? Steve Martin)
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To: RobRoy
I would never date a smoker though.

I would never date a non-smoker.

274 posted on 04/06/2004 6:26:30 AM PDT by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: wtc911
I didn't equate the two, you did. Your statement was that anyone who choses to engage in any activity that is harmful to their health is engaging in idiotic behavior. If a person choses to become a law enforcement officer they are chosing to engage in dangerous behaviour. By your reasoning they are engaging in idiodic behaviour. Per your about page, you would have historically engaged in idiodic behaviour.

If you want to draw the parallel of dangerous gay sex and law enforcement, feel free.
275 posted on 04/06/2004 6:36:29 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: wtc911
So rather than fight socialism, you would prefer to use it as a tool to control behaviour? Then you get angry when others call you a Fascist.
276 posted on 04/06/2004 6:38:34 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: CSM
Show me one comment or statement by me that supports any law to restrict anyone's right to smoke and I'll pay for your habit for a year. btw...tax dollars used to pay for health care for those whose addictions destroyed their health is socialism. I object to it, you've got me supporting it.

Try a little honesty next time or don't bother to reply to what people actually write, just say whatever makes you feel good....after all that's another one of your rights...the right to be dishonest.

277 posted on 04/06/2004 6:58:49 AM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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To: SheLion
My position on the smoking issue has always been consistent. Property rights.

A bar or restaurant can forbid it or allow it at their own discretion.

The same is true of any private property. Employees who don't want to follow the owners rules are free to leave employment, and can likewise be fired.

278 posted on 04/06/2004 7:07:55 AM PDT by Protagoras (When they asked me what I thought of freedom in America,,, I said I thought it would be a good idea.)
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To: wtc911
Sure you didn't specifically state you support a law to restrict anyone's right to smoke. Then out of the other side of your mouth you are using the collectivist argument to demonize the activity. Rather than attack the socialist systems you name, you are attacking the behaviour of some of the individuals receiving the benefits of those socialist systems.

Which do you want to attack? The behaviour or the socialism itself?
279 posted on 04/06/2004 7:51:25 AM PDT by CSM (Vote Kerry! Boil the Frog! Speed up the 2nd Revolution! (Be like Spain! At least they're honest))
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To: CSM
You're still being less than honest. Not only did I not "specifically state" my support of a law restricting smoking I supported anyone's right to smoke more than once.

You then go on to misrepresent my words again by saying that I don't attack the socialist programs. Utterly false. I clearly stated that I object to them.

You want to present me with an either or choice...attack the socialist systems or attack the behaviour. If you take an honest look at what I've posted you'd see that I object to the socialism and I think that anyone who willfully subjects his body to what is known to be harmful to it is an idiot for doing so.

If my position still isn't clear to you I can't help. Choose to interpret this anyway that makes you feel good. Good luck to you.

280 posted on 04/06/2004 8:34:32 AM PDT by wtc911 (Europe without God plus islam = Eurabia)
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