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Catholic/Protestant Post - San Antonio Cathedral Hosts Neo-Pagan Lay Liturgy
The Wanderer | May 20, 2003

Posted on 05/21/2003 5:36:35 PM PDT by NYer

A parody of the Mass was held in the newly renovated San Fernando Cathedral - the oldest cathedral in the US - on April 29, 2003 when a ceremony honoring the pagan goddess Sophia was celebrated as part of an ecumenical event for Catholics and representatives of varius Protestant groups sponsored by the Pastoral Summit.

Though the chief “celebrant” of this pagan liturgy was a nun, Sr. Martha Ann Kirk, the liturgy was “created” by Fr. Jake Emperereur, S.J., vicar and liturgist at the cathedral.

The pagan liturgy, officially called a “community worship service,” opened with the congregation turning to the baptismal font at the entrance to the cathedral.

After the water in the baptismal font was “sanctified” in the name of Sophia and Wisdom, participants in the entrance procession danced toward and into the sanctuary, sprinkling the audience with this water.

Next an offertory meal of bread and wine and fruits was brought in, and a select group of three women ritualistically set the meal on the altar. Sr. Kirk then appeared to “consecrate” the bread, fruit and wine, and a communion-like sharing was held in which the overwhelming majority of the audience participatd by breaking a piece of bread from the large loaves and consuming it.

After a short skit about Kind David and Sophia, the troupe held an exit procession.

The Pastoral Summit, led by noted Catholic author Paul Wilkes, a leader in the movement to establish a lay-run church, will hold similar three-day events in Indianapolis, and Boston in coming months.

The featured speakers at the San Antonio event, held April 28, 29 and 30, were Notre Dame professor Scott Appleby and Ruby Bridges, who, as a little girl, symbolized the integration of New Orleans public schools.

In Indianapolis, June 17-19, featured speakers will be Ken Fong and Fr. David Cozzens, while in Boston, October 6-8, the featured speakers will be Alice McDermott and Huston Smith.

The sponsor of the Pastoral Summit was the Lilly Endowment, and attendees for the summit came from across the US to learn and share information on what makes successful worship and parishes.


TOPICS: Activism; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Orthodox Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Worship
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; antichristian; apostate; catholiclist; heretics; paganism; scandal; schism
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To: jt8d
ping for local impact!
62 posted on 05/22/2003 7:46:00 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: drstevej
Predestined to have a Calvinist Pope, what a glorious thought!

Oh yeah! Sure! Then you'll recognize the Chair of Peter!

63 posted on 05/22/2003 7:47:37 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
The Chair of St. Peter will have a new look.  -- Pope Piel


64 posted on 05/22/2003 8:06:05 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: american colleen
And, BTW, I think Peter would like the idea. Imagine how cool this would have been on Galilee!
65 posted on 05/22/2003 8:07:16 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: Tantumergo
Bumping...
66 posted on 05/22/2003 8:29:04 AM PDT by redhead (Les Français sont des singes de capitulation qui mangent du fromage.)
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To: B Knotts
We had Methodists, Episcopalians, Mormons, Baptists, etc. There was nothing in the service with which any group had a theological issue, so it worked.

interesting given Mormons take pride in considering themselves distinctly separate from the body "catholic"

67 posted on 05/22/2003 8:39:51 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (Luke 22:49-51)
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To: Antoninus
Mark chapter 13. 'Nuff said.
68 posted on 05/22/2003 8:42:13 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Fides quaerens intellectum.)
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To: drstevej
I really, really, really love Jesus!

(Hey! No cutting, get to the back of the line!)
69 posted on 05/22/2003 8:50:26 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Fides quaerens intellectum.)
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To: TradicalRC
You have a special dispensation to move to the head of the line.

-Pope Piel I
70 posted on 05/22/2003 8:52:51 AM PDT by drstevej (FR token Protestant)
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To: NYer
I read that. Sick puppies those.
71 posted on 05/22/2003 8:55:09 AM PDT by WriteOn
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To: B Knotts
It strikes me that ecumenism ought to be practiced among those denominations that subscribe to the tenets of the Nicene Creed. If you have a problem with those tenets, I would say that it is questionable whether you are even Christian. Anyone can call themselves anything they want; some people call themselves Napoleon.
72 posted on 05/22/2003 9:01:46 AM PDT by TradicalRC (Fides quaerens intellectum.)
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To: drstevej
Allow me to offer a wonderful ecumenical instrument or two: the Passion(s) of St. Matthew and St. John, as realized in music by JSBach.

Dunno about the Mormons, and it might be a bit, ah, dicey with Jewish folk--but these could/SHOULD be performed on Good Friday afternoon/evening with ANY bunch of Christians in full agreement....
73 posted on 05/22/2003 9:07:10 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: american colleen
rosary in hand

You may use my .30-06, which requires TWO hands...

74 posted on 05/22/2003 9:08:19 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: drstevej
Predestined to have a Calvinist Pope

STOP! YOU'RE MAKING MY SIDE HURT....

75 posted on 05/22/2003 9:12:18 AM PDT by Gamecock (The PCA; We're the "intolerant" ones! (As seen on Taglinus FreeRepublicus, 11th Edition)
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To: Loyalist
As I recall, this is the diocese of Bishop Flores, one of the usual gang of AmChurch suspects. He wanted to tear down St. Fernando Cathedral to replace it with an apostate warehouse or space station "cathedral." He got to build the new whatever it is but was stopped from tearing down St. Fernando's by the historic place or building designation of the old cathedral. I think the case was carried (at the expense of those in the pews paying for Flores's apostate vanity) to the US Supreme Court. So, Flores tolerates (encourages?) the next best left AmChurch modernist thing: desecration of the old cathedral to separate actual Catholics from his kind.
76 posted on 05/22/2003 9:23:50 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Kumbayaisma delenda est.!)
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To: american colleen
If??????? I was last at St. Anthony's across from Boston Common in the fall of 1991. What was once (in the 1950s and 1960s) the church where Mass began on the main altar on the hour, the right altar at 20 after the hour and the left altar at 20 before the hour (on all days but Good Friday, 24 hours a day) and had confessions heard (in real confessionals) 24/7 as well.

By 1991, St. Anthony's had one 5:00 PM Mass on Sunday afternoon (I had arrived at Logan at noontime) said by a fellow who seemed to look more like a lumberjack (and to dress like one) than a priest. Hi, I'm Father Bob and I will be your presider today! Environmentalist hymns whose lyrics rolled on a screen next to the new hot dog stand in the round. "Communion" in the form of consecrated loaves of French bread, handed out by counterculture ministrettes who looked like aging refugees from the Woodstock weekend in 1968, to be broken into pieces by the parishioners in the pews with the crumbs falling everywhere. The good news from Father Bob that there was a Chistmas Bazaar downstairs which we should all take advantage of since all goods were hand-made by actual Nicaraguan Sandanista Communists and that all proceeds would go to them as well. The book shop was filled with an infinite variety of heresies.

I haven't been there lately and, even if I were still in New England, I would not go there again. God is, after all, just and will probably arrange for lightning or earthquake or whatever unless St. Anthony's has cleaned up its act. Meanwhile, get a band of Catholic guerrillas together. Bring Holy Water and Holy Oils. Douse the place. Sit in praying perpetual rosaries and have someone at the chancery pleading your right to do this with the temporary prelate. God bless!

77 posted on 05/22/2003 9:46:29 AM PDT by BlackElk (Viva Cristo Rey! Kumbayaisma delenda est.!)
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To: BlackElk
As I recall, this is the diocese of Bishop Flores, one of the usual gang of AmChurch suspects.

This is the bishop who ordained several homosexual deviants who were rejected by other seminaries. He also had a priest who was a bit of a playboy womanizer. Under oath, this priest testified that he had never been instructed that priests were not supposed to go to bars and pick up women.

When Flores was deposed, the idea that he was supposed to oversee the priests in his diocese was foreign to him.

SD

78 posted on 05/22/2003 9:54:17 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: NYer
Other men who became bishops during Jadot's tenure in the United States include Rochester Bishop Matthew Clark; Albany's Howard Hubbard; former Santa Fe Archbishop Roberto Sanchez, who resigned in a sex scandal; former San Jose Bishop Pierre DuMaine; former Honolulu Bishop Joseph Ferrario; San Antonio Archbishop Patrick Flores; former Newark Archbishop Peter Gerety; Joliet,Ill., Bishop Joseph Imesch; Louisville Archbishop Thomas C. Kelly, O.P., a former staffer at the apostolic nuncio under Jadot; Bernard Cardinal Law of Boston (whom Jadot selected as bishop for Springfield-Cape Girardeau, Mo.); Cincinnati Archbishop Daniel Pilarczyk; Saginaw, Mich., Bishop Kenneth Untener -to name a few more

This is from the same Wanderer issue as the other excerpt, namely, VOLUME 135, NO. 39 - SEPTEMBER 26, 2002
79 posted on 05/22/2003 10:20:07 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: BlackElk
Ouch!

I used to attend Mass and confession at the Shrine of St. Anthony on Arch St. (my patron saint, btw) semi-weekly when I worked in Boston until 1989 (birth of first child). It was a great place with candles and incense and a quick but good lunch-time Mass and as you say, many other Masses throughout the day.

I've noticed that they have replaced the real candles with those excretable click on ones and the inside of the church doesn't quite look the same. And sadly, it doesn't look like they do confession 7/24 anymore either. Which was a great blessing for us Catholics so inclined.

Anyhow, when I am in Boston I pop into the Prudential Center and stop in at the little St. Francis chapel there. A WONDERFUL (but small) bookstore, real candles (searched far and wide for those so I could take my kids and teach them what candles are for) and Eucharistic Adoration frequently. The cool thing is about this little chapel is that it is on the first floor and thousands pass it by and can see in because the entire front wall is all glass.

Anyone know anything about Bishop Wuerl from Pittsburgh? He is the rumoured new archbishop of Boston, so I hear.

80 posted on 05/22/2003 10:38:18 AM PDT by american colleen
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