How Old Is Your Church?

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[Salvation]

How Old is Your Church?    AUTHOR UNKNOWN

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex-monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you are a member of the Churches of Christ your church began near the beginning of the 19th century in New England. Abner Jones, Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell were some of the most well known originators of your religion.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as “Church of the Nazarene,” “Pentecostal Gospel,” “Holiness Church,” “Pilgrim Holiness Church,” “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If you are Roman Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

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[Salvation]

This should make for some interesting conversations!

[DManA]

Waddya think was going on in the 16th century that caused so many Christian denominations to be formed?

[the-ironically-named-proverbs2]

There are Christians around the world being slaughtered and persecuted today but here comes another flame-fest amoung brothers and sisters. 99% of the threads in this "religious" forum are about pride.

Prov 13:10
10 By pride comes nothing but strife, but with the well-advised is wisdom.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What is the point to this?

Get your facts right. No way do all people who fall under the label Baptist, come from John Smythe.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What is the point to this?

Get your facts right. No way do all people who fall under the label Baptist, come from John Smythe.

Becky

[Quester]

If you are Roman Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

With its emphasis on power, authority, pomp & circumstance, the Catholic Church is far cry from what JESUS ever had in mind for His church.

Mark 10:42 - But Jesus called them to him, and said to them, You know that those who are regarded as rulers over the Gentiles lord it over them; and their great ones exercise authority over them.

Mark 10:43 - But it shall not be so among you: but whoever wishes to be great among you, shall be your servant:

Mark 10:44 - And whoever wants to be the first among you, shall be the slave of all.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What is the point to this?

Get your facts right. No way do all people who fall under the label Baptist, come from John Smythe.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

What is the point to this?

Get your facts right. No way do all people who fall under the label Baptist, come from John Smythe.

Becky

[Corin Stormhands]

Waddya think was going on in the 16th century that caused so many Christian denominations to be formed?

The printing press (1450) and the translation of the Bible.

People no longer had to rely on the priests for everything. They could read for themselves. And in their human nature, they read and saw things differently.

[drstevej]

***it is still the same Church. ***

This thread is pure flame bait.

[jboot]

This gets posted once every few months. I guess someone wants "Flame War Friday". I'll let Paul do my talking:

Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

[drstevej]

***No way do all people who fall under the label Baptist, come from John Smythe.***

As someone who did my doctoral dissertation on the theology of John Smyth you are correct. Smyth died a Menonite. His successors Helwys and Murton were pioneers of the non-Calvinistic baptists. The Calvinistic (Particular) Baptists had a different origin.

The article even gets the date wrong. In 1605 Smyth's group was still in England and had not adopted believer's baptism. Further Smyth traced the tenets of his embracing of believer's baptism to the New Testament, especially the Great Commission that enjoins baptising disciples! Smyth argued that infants should not be baptized because they are not disciples in the NT sense of the term. (He argued this in 1609)

[Salvation]

Not about pride, but looking at history. Anything wrong with that?

[Salvation]

See #13

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

This thread is pure flame bait

You are 100% correct. And when you post some facts, as you did to me in another post, they will come back and start in on all us mean anti-catholic bigots. Whinebags. This sort of thing is really started to aggravate me. What is the point/motivation for posting this thread? I wish salvation would answer this question. I would not have expected this sort of thing from Salvation. Another catholic looses their testimony, IMO.

Becky

[Salvation]

I am the messenger. Please check with CERC.

[sspxsteph]

Mathew 16:18-19
18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Jesus does things to Peter and for Peter that He does for no other Apostle. He is the only one given the privilege of walking on water. He is the one who pulled, out of the sea, the fish with a coin in its mouth, that's sufficient to pay the tax for Jesus and Peter.
In verse 18, Our Lord continues, saying to Peter: "You are rock, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Now, I don't have time to go into detail here, but the image of rock is a Temple image. There was a rock - it was referred to in the Old Testament as the foundation stone upon which the Temple of Solomon was built - that sealed the gateway to the underworld. So Jesus is saying, "Peter, you are going to be the rock upon which I am going to build My Temple, My Church, the New Covenant Temple." In the Old Covenant, it was the High Priest alone who could stand upon that rock, because upon that rock was the Ark of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies. So, Peter is singled out implicitly as having this high priestly and this rock-like function.
In verse 19, Jesus concludes: "And I will give to you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound in Heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in Heaven." Here, Our Lord quotes the language of Isaias 22:22, where Isaias describes the Old Testament office of prime minister, or what was then called "chief steward," and speaks of a man named Eliacim, son of Helcias, who becomes chief steward after another man, Sobna, is deposed. Speaking through the prophet Isaias, God says several things about the office of prime minister, which I paraphrase:
God says, "I will put the special vestments on him, and fasten the sash of authority around him." So he wears distinctive garments.
God says he will be a father to the inhabitants of the land. So he has a patriarchal office. The word "pope" simply means "father."
God says, "I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder, so that when he opens, no one can shut; and when shut, no one can open." These are the words of Isaias which Jesus Himself quotes.
And then God says that he will have a seat of honor. So he has an episcopal see.
so SHUT yer yap
http://www.catholicism.org/pages/matatic.htm

[RockBassCreek]

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

This is incorrect. England was Christian before Roman Catholicism became dominant. There was an Anglican Church prior to Pope Gregory's efforts to gain dominance through St Augustine's mission to England in the 5th century. Augustine was a dismal failure, so the 2 brands of Christianity continued side by side.

The english catholic church pre-dated Roman Catholicism in England. It can be seen in the work of St Columba, St Aiden.

Go here History of British Faith, link

It's also the PREMIER website on 1066 and the Battle of Hastings.

Henry VIII simply reverted to the old English (Anglican) catholic church.

[Salvation]

Arguing about the dates. I am merely the messenger. Contact CERC.

[RockBassCreek]

Also, I notice that you don't mention the Orthodox? When were they formed?