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Who Were the Ebionites? {Shadowy Christian heretics and possible precursors of Islam}
Various ^ | Cronos

Posted on 10/26/2025 6:12:28 AM PDT by Cronos

The Ebionites (Hebrew: Evyonim = “the Poor”) were a Jewish-Christian sect active from the 1st to 4th centuries CE, mainly in Transjordan, Syria, and Judea.

Ebionite Belief
Jesus Human Messiah, born naturally to Mary and Joseph. Not divine.
Torah Full observance required — circumcision, kosher laws, Sabbath.
Paul Apostate — rejected his “law-free” gospel (Galatians).
Gospels Used a Hebrew/Aramaic Gospel (possibly Gospel of the Ebionites, related to Matthew). Rejected virgin birth.

Key text: Epiphanius (Panarion 30.13–14) quotes their gospel:

“They say Jesus was begotten of the seed of a man… and chosen by election to be the Son of God.”
Patricia Crone & Michael Cook (Hagarism, 1977) → speculated Islam began as a Jewish-Christian messianic movement.

The same sentiment is shared by historians Tom Holland and Robert Spencer

The Ebionite movement may have arisen about the time of the destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem (ad 70). Its members evidently left Palestine to avoid persecution and settled in Transjordan (notably at Pella) and Syria and were later known to be in Asia Minor and Egypt. The sect seems to have existed into the 4th century.

They believed in one God and taught that Jesus was the Messiah and was the true “prophet” mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:15. They rejected the Virgin Birth of Jesus, instead holding that he was the natural son of Joseph and Mary. The Ebionites believed Jesus became the Messiah because he obeyed the Jewish Law. They themselves faithfully followed the Law, although they removed what they regarded as interpolations in order to uphold their teachings, which included vegetarianism, holy poverty, ritual ablutions, and the rejection of animal sacrifices. The Ebionites also held Jerusalem in great veneration.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Islam
KEYWORDS: ebionites; ebonics
Open discussion. What do you think?
1 posted on 10/26/2025 6:12:28 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

They are all dead, Jim.................


2 posted on 10/26/2025 6:18:47 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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Mormon beliefs


3 posted on 10/26/2025 6:20:07 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Cronos

Heretics by today’s Christian orthodoxy, such as it is. However, there were numerous sects during the first few centuries after Christ who were “followers of Jesus.” Some ideas died out and some coalesced into Christianity as we have come to know it in the West after the Council of Nicaea.

It’s interesting to speculate that these Ebionites were the foundation of Mohammedism. That cult borrowed freely from Judaism and Christianity - but not for the better.


4 posted on 10/26/2025 6:54:34 AM PDT by oldplayer
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To: Cronos

Robert Spenser makes makes a very strong case that Islam was founded by a break-away sect of early Christians who worshipped / revered Jesus as a great prophet (as Muslims still do today) but did not believe he was divine, the son of God. There’s a famous old mosque with a long inscription wrapping around the circumference of its dome. The inscription doesn’t make much sense from an Islamic perspective, but it makes perfect sense when viewed thru the window of this early Christian sect’s beliefs.


5 posted on 10/26/2025 6:57:00 AM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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To: Blurb2350

That mosque you refer to 8s the Dome of the rock on top of the temple mount in Jerusalem


6 posted on 10/26/2025 7:40:52 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Tennessee Nana

No not at all!
Ebionites are strict monotheists. Where one could argue that Mormons are tritheists - polytheists where “poly” equals 3.


7 posted on 10/26/2025 8:09:41 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Cronos

Thanks, Cronos! It’s been a while since i read Spenser’s “Did Mohammed Exist?” but his argument re: the Dome of the Rock inscription has stayed with me (to the extent my memory will allow).


8 posted on 10/26/2025 8:09:44 AM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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To: Cronos

I had a prof who argued that Islam emerged from a Jewish Gnostic sect. He cited the similarities in form between Talmudic studying and Islamic scholarly studying styles.

I think by Jewish Gnostic he really meant some mystical oriented sect. Lots of those both Jewish and Christian none of the early ones have survived in a recognizable way. (Maybe 1 or 2!)


9 posted on 10/26/2025 8:15:52 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Cronos
More information about the Ebionites from the Catholic Encyclopedia at the New Advent site:

Catholic Encyclopedia - Ebionites

10 posted on 10/26/2025 9:19:01 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: Cronos

Bkmk


11 posted on 10/26/2025 9:20:19 AM PDT by sauropod
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To: Reily

What is interesting is that the Talmud was finished in Baghdad in the 20th century along with the final stages of Halakha (Jewish law).

This was the same time and place where the Hadiths and halal laws were being finalized.

I also find it fascinating that Rabbinical Judaism (what we call simply Judaism today) dates to only after 70AD,so is actually 40 years of so YOUNGER than Christianity and is a kind of “niece” religion to Jesus movement Judaism (aka Christianity) as it derives from the Pharisees, a 2nd temple Jewish sect like the Jesus movement.

Well, that’s what I think anyway based on the writings of Rabbi Yohannan bin Zakkai and the Talmud


12 posted on 10/26/2025 10:41:46 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Yes that prof I had cited the possible equivalency between Halakha and Hadith, etc. as another link in his case. Unfortunately physical evidence is slim to nonexistent.


13 posted on 10/26/2025 10:52:15 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Cronos
Inside the building in classical Arabic is inscribed, “O you People of the Book, overstep not bounds in your religion, and of God speak only the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is only an apostle of God, and his Word which he conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from him. Believe therefore in God and his apostles, and say not Three. It will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from his glory that he should have a son.”
14 posted on 10/26/2025 8:47:16 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Cronos

I also find it fascinating that Rabbinical Judaism (what we call simply Judaism today) dates to only after 70AD,so is actually 40 years of so YOUNGER than Christianity and is a kind of “niece” religion to Jesus movement Judaism (aka Christianity) as it derives from the Pharisees, a 2nd temple Jewish sect like the Jesus movement.
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A ‘niece’ religion to some might look like a ‘daughter’ religion to some.

Interesting theory, though.


15 posted on 10/27/2025 7:26:48 AM PDT by delchiante
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