Posted on 04/19/2025 10:59:22 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
Yes very sad to hear of his passing. He was a fascinating guy I’ve heard speak a number of times.
The Shroud and Sudarium allow people of our age to witness the risen Christ! ✝️
The Shroud and Sudarium allow people of our age to witness the risen Christ! ✝️
Watched this today. It’s extraordinarily good. Most relevant interview this week, actually one of the best I’ve ever seen.
When it starts out it just jumps in,does’t explain that. I thought so. Amazing.
Thank you.
Sorry ‘bout that. For some reason my link to the video doesn’t start at the beginning.
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He turned water to wine, he specifically drank of the fruit of the vine; John the Baptist was a Nazirite and he is contrasted to jesus by Christ himself. If Johnson says Jesus was a Nazirite, everything else he says is likely nonsense too.
Exactly. Certainly not everything Johnson says is wrong because the proof is right there in the Shroud, and backed up by scientists. The Nazirite point, though, shows a lack of study on Johnson’s part.
If the Holy Spirit testifies to the truth of the resurrection in the scriptures, that is far more solid evidence than anything they can say about this. Paul didn’t carry relics around on his missionary journeys, nor Peter, nor the evangelist Philip on the desert road to the Ethiopian eunuch. They let the scriptures tell the story and they testified as eye witnesses to the risen Christ (Paul years later on the Damascus Road), without mentioning relics of any sort, nor urging pilgrimages to go see it.
Agree.
There is no need to mention a “relic” if the apostles knew it existed. It just was.
Ping
Thank you for this link....look forward to watching, on this Holy Weekend.
Blessings.
This is an interview I hadn’t seen until today; I cringed at the ‘thumbtack’ story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo_P6l1RlWg
Wonder if they can obtain enough residual blood for DNA analysis. That might have results that skeptics can’t explain. Or if rehydrated, the blood is still living. Again, skeptics confounded.
Wonderful discussion—thank you for sharing!
Have a blessed Resurrection Day, Joe 6-pack.
The video explains that the Catholic church considers it both a “relic” and an “artifact”; the video says it is the only item carrying both designations.
A relic is a piece of a body or a sacred item that was touched by a person whom the RCC considers to be a Biblical saint. (Reform tradition says all believers are saints.)
An artifact is a physical object from the Bibllical time period which can be scientifically analyzed. The video displays two coins that are from those Roman times.
The video repeatedly refers to the scientific studies of the Shroud, and makes claims about physical correlates to the time period; Dr. Johnson says he is not speaking from faith or faith belief, but from what has been studied by advanced imaging technology, chemical analysis, etc.
I don’t think you are understanding the meaning of ‘relic’ as the Church uses it regarding objects like this.
The apostles may have known that a shroud existed; the studies of this particular one are attempting to determine its authenticity.
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