Posted on 03/21/2024 3:47:09 PM PDT by DoodleBob
One of the most common questions in Christianity is, did Judas go to Heaven or Hell? There are clear indications from Scripture that Judas Iscariot who betrayed Jesus is burning in Hell right now. He was never saved and even though he was remorseful before he committed suicide he never repented.
God didn’t make Judas Iscariot betray Jesus, but he knew he was going to do it. Remember there are some Christians who aren’t really Christians and there are pastors who just use God’s name for money and I believe Judas used God’s name for money. Once you become a true Christian you can’t be demon possessed and you will always be a Christian. John 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Quotes about Judas Iscariot “Judas Iscariot was not a greatly wicked person, just a common money-lover, and like most money-lovers, he did not understand Christ.” Aiden Wilson Tozer
“Surely in Judas’ betrayal it will be no more right, because God both willed that his Son be delivered up, and delivered him up to death, to ascribe the guilt of the crime to God than to transfer the credit for redemption to Judas.” John Calvin
“Judas heard all Christ’s sermons.” Thomas Goodwin
Judas greedy thief who betrayed Jesus for money! John 12:4-7 But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, “Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages. ” He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it. “Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. “It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Matthew 26:14-16 Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, “What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?” And they paid him thirty pieces of silver. And from that moment he sought an opportunity to betray him.
Luke 16:13 “A servant cannot serve two masters. He will hate the first master and love the second, or he will be devoted to the first and despise the second. You cannot serve God and wealth.“
Was Judas saved? No, Satan entered him. True Christians can never be demon possessed!
John 13:27-30 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. So Jesus told him, “What you are about to do, do quickly.” But no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the festival, or to give something to the poor. As soon as Judas had taken the bread, he went out. And it was night.
1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.
1 John 5:19 We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one.
Jesus calls Judas a devil! John 6:70 Then Jesus said, “I chose the twelve of you, but one is a devil.”
Better had Judas not been born It would have been better if he was never born!
Matthew 26:20-24 When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. And while they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.” They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely you don’t mean me, Lord?” Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
The son of perdition – Judas doomed to destruction John 17:11-12 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
Is Judas in hell? Judas was the only unclean disciple. According to John 13, Judas was not clean. How can Judas be in heaven if he was unclean? This verse tells me that Judas was not saved and his sins were not forgiven.
John 13:8-11 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
Why did Judas go to hell? Judas went to hell because he failed to repent and put his trust in Christ alone for salvation. Judas was unregenerate. He was a man that looked the part but he was not truly converted by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Did Judas go to hell for betraying Jesus? The short is answer is no. This is a works-based question. Some people say, Judas sinned by betraying Jesus, therefore he went to hell. This is not the case. Peter betrayed Jesus as well. However, we noticed that he was burdened and grieved over his sin. He repented over his and he was forgiven. Why did Peter repent? Peter repented because he was truly converted of the Lord. He was saved. In Peter, we see evidence of a man who failed but looked to Jesus. We don’t see repentance in Judas. The mark of Christian is not someone who will never sin. We are saved by Christ alone. Jesus lived the life that we couldn’t live. However, a Christian should bear good fruit and they should be growing in repentance. As stated above, Judas went to hell because he did not trust in Christ for salvation.
Then what did he do to himself?
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Well, if so then I guess one can repent of a sin not yet committed?
However this means nothing in regards to their eternal life. Or death.
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And you learned this how?
True repentence does not result in suicide.
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Nor can one repent of a future sin one then proceeds to commit.
Parables illustrate a point. The point of the parable you cited is not the existence of hell, so it is not a suitable vehicle for determining doctrines about hell.
And you learned this how?
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OK, ya got me. But as the subject was the possibility of Peter going to Hell, I naturally assumed he is not there. In fact, Jesus gave him the keys to Heaven.
But if you think otherwise, say so.
just and merciful judge.
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Justice and mercy are fundamentally antithetical.
always a chance for repentance; you just have to mean it
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Definitely NOT always!
Judas was repentant and so devastated that he could no longer live with himself
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Isn’t intentionally terminating one’s life an unrepentant sin?
Let's cut to the chase:
Do you believe Hell exists?
Do you believe there are souls now in Hell?
But if you think otherwise, say so.
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Sorry, I thought you were referring to Judas. Seems to me safe to assume Peter was saved, but Judas probably not unless it’s possible to first repent of a sin like suicide and then proceed to do it.
Not sure Scripture supports the notion of anyone burning in hell right now.
Parables are insufficient for doctrinal foundation.
You're truly amazing with your rationalizations.
Are you a Jesuit, perchance?
Free will does not mean unpredictable. It means determined by the will of an agent. If you watch somebody take an action that does not mean they had no choice I the matter. Even if you watched them through a magic crystal ball that let you see their action before they took it.
On the cross Jesus asked God the father to forgive those who crucified him. Because they didn’t know what they were doing. Judas Iscariot knew what he was doing. The devil goaded him on. IMHO.
2 Corinthians 7:10 indicates there there are two kinds of sorrow...
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
The worldly sorrow of Judas brought him a physical death. Perhaps eternal death as well.
The timing of when Hell is created and populated is far less important than the fact that it will be, as I indicated originally by terming my post merely as a point of order--that is, as a lighthearted technicality.
ἐγένετο δὲ ἀποθανεῖν τὸν πτωχὸν καὶ ἀπενεχθῆναι αὐτὸν ὑπὸ τῶν ἀγγέλων εἰς τὸν κόλπον Ἀβραάμ ἀπέθανεν δὲ καὶ ὁ πλούσιος καὶ ἐτάφη
Which the ESV translates as:
The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried,
What is sometimes translated as "hell" is in the next verse:
καὶ ἐν τῷ ᾅδῃ ἐπάρας τοὺς ὀφθαλμοὺς αὐτοῦ ὑπάρχων ἐν βασάνοις ὁρᾷ Ἀβραὰμ ἀπὸ μακρόθεν καὶ Λάζαρον ἐν τοῖς κόλποις αὐτοῦ
Which the ESV translates as:
and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
What the ESV translates as "Hades" is the Greek word: ᾅδης (strongs G86).
Perhaps you will want to look at the other uses of this Greek word in the New Testement on This Blue Letter Bible site link
In particular the last usages where ᾅδης seems to be some kind of evil agent that rides a horse and is eventually thrown into the lake of fire.
The link for Strong's definition of the word is on this link
I think there is more detail revealed here than you realize.
There is a difference between a disinterested observer as in your example, and the Being that created the whole system that results in people certainly going to Hell, especially when most traditional Christian sects believe that the number of people going to Hell will far outnumber those going to Heaven.
My example was about whether there was a logical conflict between free will and determinism. The differences you bring up seem to be orthogonal to that point. For the sake of argument lets say that God is horribly unfair and sadistic and only created the world to get some kind of pleasure in the eternal torment of many souls. That might be the grounds for arguing against Christianity which supposes God is good and so forth. However it seems unrelated to the question as to whether there is a logical conflict between free will and determinism.
Please explain; perhaps I am wrong, if so, I’d like to know why.
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