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The Growing Need to Condemn Vatican II’s Errors So We Can Combat Francis’s Heresies
The Remnant Newspaper ^ | December 27, 2023 | Robert Morrison

Posted on 12/27/2023 2:43:51 PM PST by ebb tide

The Growing Need to Condemn Vatican II’s Errors So We Can Combat Francis’s Heresies

“To promote ecumenism means signing a treaty of non-aggression, granting all religions citizenship in the great pantheon of creeds. The only commandment is the exclusion of exclusivity: freedom for all in all things, except for those who believe in the truth.” (Fr. Dominique Bourmaud, One Hundred Years of Modernism

 

Francis is obviously a non-Catholic man who seeks to do as much damage as possible to the Catholic Church. Understandably, this reality leads many sincere Catholics to insist that he cannot possibly be a true pope. As Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano indicated in a recent talk, though, the matter of officially declaring him an anti-pope is not as simple as we might like:

“What we cannot do, because we do not have the authority, is to officially declare that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is not Pope. The terrible impasse in which we find ourselves makes any human solution impossible.”

Even if Archbishop Vigano was incorrect in this assessment, we have to acknowledge that this statement demonstrates that the solution to the crisis is not merely a matter of individual Catholics declaring that Francis is an anti-pope. Indeed, this was also one of the key assertions of the so-called Sedemenefreghismo Thesis, discussed in a recent article.

Because so many otherwise faithful Catholics refuse to condemn the errors of Vatican II — which sought to make peace with the sinful world, and promoted the false ecumenism that gives rise to almost every error we see today — we collectively find ourselves in the position of begging God’s mercy to remove the disastrous fruits of a tree we insist on protecting.

As Archbishop Vigano said, we find ourselves at a “terrible impasse,” which lacks any ordinary human solution. Although The Remnant has published articles (2018, 2022) advocating for an imperfect council to potentially remove Francis and elect a new pope, the likelihood of that extraordinary solution is so low that it would seem to require divine intervention. With no ordinary human solution, it is more obvious than ever that we must petition God’s mercy. On this front, Archbishop Vigano courageously identified one major stumbling block preventing many Catholics from effectively turning to God:

“[I]n the ecclesial sphere in the face of the devastation caused by the conciliar revolution and the so-called ‘liturgical reform’ there are still those who do not want to admit the causal relationship between the less criminal action of those experts and consultors – who were notoriously modernist well before Vatican II and as such rightly condemned by the Holy Office or regarded with suspicion by the Bishops – who used nothing less than an Ecumenical Council as a prestigious stage on which to perform the false and deceitful pièce of dialogue with the world, ecumenism, democratization and parliamentarization of the Church, all with the endorsement of the ‘Popes of the Council.’ That assembly was rightly defined by its own architects as ‘the 1789 of the Church.’ John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul I, John Paul II and Benedict XVI did not fail to emphasize how the revolutionary and Masonic principles – liberté, égalité, fraternité – could in some way be shared and made their own by Catholicism, starting from the acceptance, indeed the convinced promotion of the secularity of the State and the substantial cancellation of the divine and universal Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Because so many otherwise faithful Catholics refuse to condemn the errors of Vatican II — which sought to make peace with the sinful world, and promoted the false ecumenism that gives rise to almost every error we see today — we collectively find ourselves in the position of begging God’s mercy to remove the disastrous fruits of a tree we insist on protecting. Everything we know about God and salvation history should convince us that this willful blindness is virtually guaranteed to prolong the crisis.

For those who doubt the connection between Vatican II and Francis’s heresies, the ongoing Synod on Synodality provides more than sufficient evidence. Although the “headline” issues of the Synod involve the promotion of the LGBTQ+ agenda and potential ordination of women priests, the most egregious evil of the Synod is arguably its ostentatious substitution of the concept of the “People of God” (from Vatican II) for members of the Catholic Church. From this, we can clearly see two defining aspects of the current crisis: (i) almost all of Francis’s heresies flow naturally from Vatican II, and (ii) the overwhelming majority of faithful Catholics are indifferent to the true roots of the Church’s crisis.

First, what are Francis’s most manifest heresies? Without attempting to compile a comprehensive list, it is evident that we would need to include the following categories:

Almost every other heresy from Francis — including the recent permission to bless “same-sex unions” — fits into one or more of these categories of heresy.

Because the Synodal Church includes all baptized people, it necessarily encompasses all of their religious beliefs, which means the doctrinal content of the Synodal Church must be no more exclusive than the lowest common denominator of all Christian religions.

And, crucially, each of these heresies flows inexorably from the false ecumenism Archbishop Vigano named above. This false ecumenism was in full display during John XXIII’s opening speech of Vatican II; it was the animating spirit of almost all of the Council’s innovations; it has been called an “irreversible path” by Francis, Benedict XVI, and John Paul II; and it is at the heart of the Synod on Synodality’s “People of God” heresies.

Prior to Francis’s announcement of the Synod, the International Theological Commission’s study on Synodality in the Life and Mission of the Church described the membership of the new Synodal Church as the “People of God”:

“Taking up the ecclesiological perspective of Vatican II, Pope Francis sketches the image of a synodal Church as ‘an inverted pyramid’ which comprises the People of God and the College of Bishops, one of whose members, the Successor of Peter, has a specific ministry of unity. Here the summit is below the base.”

Moreover, as has been made abundantly clear throughout the Synodal process, all baptized souls are part of the People of God:

“The entire People of God shares a common dignity and vocation through Baptism. All of us are called in virtue of our Baptism to be active participants in the life of the Church.” (Vademecum for the Synod on Synodality)

“This call to cooperate in the mission of the Church is addressed to the entire People of God. Pope Francis made this clear when he issued a direct invitation to all the People of God to contribute to Church efforts towards healing: ‘every one of the baptised should feel involved in the ecclesial and social change that we so greatly need. This change calls for a personal and communal conversion that makes us see things as the Lord does.’” (Vademecum)

Who is included in “all baptized people”? This obviously includes any person who has been baptized in a non-Catholic religion. As such, Catholics and non-Catholics are all members of the new Synodal Church.

Because the Synodal Church includes all baptized people, it necessarily encompasses all of their religious beliefs, which means the doctrinal content of the Synodal Church must be no more exclusive than the lowest common denominator of all Christian religions. Anything permitted by any Protestant religion — such as blessings of “same-sex unions” and “communion” for unrepentant sinners — must therefore be accepted by Francis’s Synodal Church. This follows logically from the premise that the Synodal Church includes all baptized people.

Accordingly, the only Christians who are unwelcome in the Synodal Church are those who believe what the Catholic Church has always taught about the need for all souls to practice the unadulterated Catholic Faith. It follows from all of this that Francis will accept every Protestant heresy and reject Traditional Catholic teaching. Francis has made this abundantly clear. 

So Benedict XVI commended the Council’s downplaying of the concept of the Mystical Body of Christ — whose members are limited to Catholics — and corresponding emphasis on the new concept of the “People of God,” which is less “exclusive.”

Francis is incapable of developing such heresies on his own, so where did they come from? Here is Benedict XVI’s helpful background on the subject from his February 14, 2013 farewell address to the clergy of Rome:

“[I]n the quest for a complete theological vision of ecclesiology, a certain amount of criticism arose after the 1940’s, in the 1950’s, concerning the concept of the Body of Christ: the word ‘mystical’ was thought to be too spiritual, too exclusive; the concept ‘People of God’ then began to come into play. The Council rightly accepted this element, which in the Fathers is regarded as an expression of the continuity between the Old and the New Testaments.”

So Benedict XVI commended the Council’s downplaying of the concept of the Mystical Body of Christ — whose members are limited to Catholics — and corresponding emphasis on the new concept of the “People of God,” which is less “exclusive.”

As discussed in a previous article, Cardinal Augustin Bea helped push the concept of the People of God into the Council’s documents to promote his false ecumenism. Here is what Fr. Dominique Bourmaud had to say about the Council’s false ecumenism in his One Hundred Years of Modernism (published in 2006, long before we knew of Bergoglio):

“For the sake of ecumenism, Vatican II has hidden the light of the Faith under a bushel basket, and ‘what we seek is not conversion but convergence.’ In other words, the Church seeks to supplant what is truly Catholic with what is merely global. Indeed, if ‘brotherly love,’ as the world understands it, is what unites men, the Credo can only divide. Truth has that seemingly perverse quality of exclusivity: if a wall is black, then it excludes red, white, or any other color than black. If truth be told, the only real obstacle to inter-religious dialogue is Jesus Christ.”

As he wrote, truth has the quality of exclusivity, which means that those who seek a globalist religion for a New World Order must attack the immutable Catholic Faith. Hence, Francis’s Synod on Synodality is directed to the “People of God” rather than Catholics.

Francis did not start this revolution, and indeed he has played a far less signifiant role in its development than his predecessors. Yes, he is manifesting the heresies of Vatican II in a much more open and hideous manner than his predecessors did, but they performed the far more crucial work in overcoming the Church’s doctrinal defenses to lay the heretical foundations.

God has not permitted the crisis to advance to this point so that we will reject Francis, who is a natural fruit of Vatican II, while defending the tree with all our might. Such a belief is unworthy of Catholics.

We can even see that the defense of Vatican II’s innovations and simultaneous rejection of Francis’s heresies is itself a manifestation of a special type of heretical mentality: it holds that some theological errors are fine so long as they do not force us to confront their unpleasant consequences. It is the heresy that says that we must not judge a tree by its fruits. And it is the heresy that prevents us (collectively) from cooperating with God’s grace to counteract the evils of Francis’s unholy occupation of the papacy.

Here is how Archbishop Vigano described the proponents of this heretical mentality (though he refrained from applying the label of heresy to it):

“The Hierarchy limits itself to demonstrating either cowardice or complicity with the tyrant, and the few discordant voices do not dare to draw the necessary conclusions in the face of the heresies and nonsense of the tenant of Santa Marta. Because they disagree with [Francis], but not with Vatican II; nor are they willing to recognize that it was precisely from that Council that the revolutionary process arose which permitted a person like Jorge Mario to enter the Society of Jesus, be ordained, become a Bishop, be created Cardinal, and finally to enter a Conclave and come out of it as ‘pope.’ For them, it is permissible to criticize Bergoglio, but only on the condition that one never criticizes the conciliar idol, the untouchable fetish of the Montinians who today, compared to the horrors of the Argentine Jesuit, seem to be champions of Catholic orthodoxy.”

It took courage for Archbishop Vigano to say these words because so many who detest Francis want to believe that we can solve the crisis by calling Bergoglio an anti-pope and then hoping that the College of Cardinals miraculously elects another “champion of orthodoxy” like Benedict XVI or John Paul II.

At this stage in the crisis, those who defend Vatican II do far more harm than good. God has not permitted the crisis to advance to this point so that we will reject Francis, who is a natural fruit of Vatican II, while defending the tree with all our might. Such a belief is unworthy of Catholics. As individual Catholics, we do not have the authority to officially declare Francis is an anti-pope, but we actually have a duty to reject all of the errors of Vatican II, including those promoted by Benedict XVI and John Paul II.

We must absolutely reject all of the errors of Vatican II. Once we do that, and make every effort to become saints, then perhaps God will mercifully intervene to rescue us from this grave catastrophe in the Church. In the meantime, we can honor God and save our souls by fighting Francis and every single error that fuels his blasphemous attacks on the Church. Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
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To: ebb tide

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161 posted on 12/29/2023 3:46:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Who?

History has shown it’s anyone who rails against the leadership of the Roman Catholic church.

(Not that I want to name names or anything.)


162 posted on 12/29/2023 3:47:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Why are there so few prayers on FR from catholics that wish Francis to be a leader they can follow?

All I see are those that want him GONE!

163 posted on 12/29/2023 3:49:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

Romans 13:1-2 ESV

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.


164 posted on 12/29/2023 3:50:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone

Nah, any Catholic who knows history doesn’t overlook these.

These are emphatically not doctrinal, but more local/temporal.

Are they bad in today’s sense? You betcha - very bad

Were they bad in the 1215s? No. It does say that “a blasphemer of Christ should not exercise power over Christians” - which, considering what the Talmud says about Jesus, is pretty mild.

However these oppressive measures are not “die or convert” as was the norm of the centuries right until the 19th or 20th in Europe/NordeAmerica

If you wish to judge people of 800 years ago by today, I assume you also are among those who condemn any founding fathers who may have had slaves at some point in their lives?


165 posted on 02/06/2024 6:36:29 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: af_vet_1981
No
No return to the antisemitism of the past in the cause of getting rid of Vatican II.

“It seemed likely that Catholics know something about the landmark Nostra Aetate — the official declaration of the Second Vatican Council, reiterating that the Catholic faith begins with the patriarchs and prophets of ancient Israel, and condemning the notion that Jews share collective guilt for the death of Jesus. Many must also know of Pope John Paul II’s and other popes’ personal devotion to the people of the Covenant. “

The traditional attitude of historical chrstianity to the Jews is utterly bizarre and makes absolutely no sense. It's insane. And yet it is so absolute and uniform that it must in some way be essential to the entire religion.

American-style Fundamentalist Protestantism may be a-historical and anachronistic, but it is the ONE and ONLY form of chrstianity that has an "orthodox," conservative philo-Semitic tradition. This because, in its total lack of history, its only ancestors are the ancient Israelites of the Hebrew Bible. And it cannot illogically condemn those people as chrstianity's (lehavdil!) `Amaleq.

Another reason for this lack of anti-Semitism is that it's theory of the atonement is "penal substitution"--ie, G-d killed J*sus in place of sending every fallen human being who would ever live to Hell. The sacramental churches cannot adopt this view because it renders mankind's part in salvation completely passive, making any sort of church or sacramental ritual unnecessary. They'd all be out of a job.

Just think for a moment. The historical churches consider the passion to be at once the absolute greatest thing that has ever happened (saving the world) AND the greatest crime in history. It was necessary for J*sus to die, to be killed, yet the people who played the priestly role and slaughtered the victim are now "accursed." Does that make any sense? Why not say the same about the priests who re-enact that sacrifice so many times? Are they "deicides" too?

Do the ancient churches believe it would have been better had the passion never taken place? Then there would be no salvation and no chrstianity. Is it because they didn't know they were saving the world when they did it? Then how should they have done it? I mean it! Think about this for just one moment and you will see how insane this all is! And isn't it just too convenient that all this hatred, all this claims of "accursedness," apply to the "predecessor" religion, which would be the new religion's most serious competitor. Coincidence, or an attempt to eliminate this competitor?

Unfortunately historical chrstianity has made Judaism "liberal," a decriminalized sin like homosexuality. American-style Fundamentalism is still attached for reasons of Biblical sentimentalism and neither hates the Jews nor teaches that "all religions are equally valid." For historical chrstianity this is impossible.

I am glad to have seen the light and become a Noahide. This means I believe there is only one religion (Judaism/Noahism) to which all mankind is statutorily obligated which will outlast all other religions and eventually be universally acknowledged. Straight-up Theocracy, no liberalism, "tolerance," or "democracy" involved.

I cannot understand why sacramental chrstianity so looks down its nose at Fundamentalist Protestants. They have avoided a fatal problem without compromising their attachment to J*sus and to objective religious truth. Churches that have taught hatred of the Chosen People throughout their history (especially for doing what metaphysically had to be done) seem far inferior. I'll never get it. I'll never understand.

Of course Fundamentalist Protestantism is still completely a-historical, but its peoples' stubbornness also vaccinates it from the Torah Truth. HaShem yerachem!

166 posted on 02/06/2024 9:07:04 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Cronos
Nah, any Catholic who knows history doesn’t overlook these.

Except every Roman Catholic today.

These are emphatically not doctrinal, but more local/temporal.

Yeah....most Roman Catholics are not even aware of these but when pointed out they often reply in a manner as you.

Were they bad in the 1215s? No

Whoa.....hold the phone....it was not bad in the 1215s to make Jews wear special clothing or ban them from office????

Well, what in the world happened to make that change from not being bad in the 1215s to now being bad (aside from what happened in WW2).

That "church" that never changes certainly has a lot of change!


167 posted on 02/06/2024 3:10:39 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Cronos
As a friend....I'd ask the mods to delete this post if I were you.

It puts in you a very, very bad light.

168 posted on 02/06/2024 3:19:12 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; af_vet_1981
ealgeone "Vatican II to be dogma"

That makes as much sense as "The council is dogma" -- a council like Vatican II is a meeting in which dogma generally is discussed - the meeting (council) itself is not dogma, it's a meeting

Councils in the Church are / were called only when there were questions raised or detailed clarification needed for aspects of belief that have been held. They don't create dogma

Vatican II did lead to Lumen Gentium which was a document that did have dogma defined / clarified within it

Now within Lumen Gentium there are multiple dogma defined.

Catholics can interpret the Bible within boundaries - for instance limbo is one example. But we don't believe in non-biblical beliefs like sola scriptura or sola Fide

169 posted on 02/19/2024 6:16:43 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: ealgeone; af_vet_1981

Now, perhaps you, ealgeone mean - what happens if a Catholic disagrees with a dogma?

What they can’t do is go ahead and change the church for them - as happens in non-Catholic western groupings like the ECUSA, PCUSA, Westboro Baptists, ELCA, etc. etc.

Now the article talks a lot, but it doesn’t really name what dogmas it disagrees with - it talks about Chapter 2 - On the People of God, but not more.


170 posted on 02/19/2024 6:21:43 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: MayflowerMadam
How about kicking to the curb all humans who have the audacity to insert themselves between God and mankind?

That would be any number of Baptist, mega-church etc. protestant "pastors" or the founders of Protestant and Protestant derived religions like the Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists, Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons and Dispensationalists

The bishops even the bishop of Rome isn't "inserted between God and mankind" - that's a lie that you've been told about the Church

For a Catholic (or Orthodox or Copt or Assyrian), God is directly present at every worship - in the form of the Eucharist, the True Body and Blood of Christ -- as Jesus said in Matthew 26:26 this is my body.” - not "this is in the symbol of my Body" nor "this is bread but assume it to be my body" but clearly "this IS My Body"

171 posted on 02/19/2024 6:26:06 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: ealgeone

“most Roman Catholics are not even aware of these “

You mean most Catholics — the% of Catholics that are cities of Roma is small.

Anyway, most people are not aware of a council in 1215 that was not on dogma.

For the matter - were you aware of it for any reason other than to prepare a bazinga?


172 posted on 02/19/2024 6:48:09 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: ealgeone

“were they bad in the 1215s? No”

And I state that no, for that time, symbolizing people by their clothes was not bad — it was also right until the late 1800s that certain classes of people in the UK wore certain clothes.

If you want to judge people in the 1200s by your opinions today, then you probably also condemn the founding fathers for not holding today’s views


173 posted on 02/19/2024 6:49:42 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: ealgeone

I stand by what I said - for the 1200s, the same period that Genghis Khan devastated the Khwarezm, Jing, Tangut, Khara-Khita, Naiman, Rus, Chiphcak-Kuman etc.

Anyway, for that period, the designation of clothes to identify people was no different to what was happening even in the secular sense - as yeomen v/s nobility etc.

You cannot judge people of the 1200s by today’s standards. Unless you are one of those woke folks who also condemn the founding fathers for not having 2024 sensibilities


174 posted on 02/19/2024 6:57:17 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; af_vet_1981
ZC The traditional attitude of historical chrstianity to the Jews is utterly bizarre and makes absolutely no sense.

Oh, so much whatabouttery in that statement

Which period of historical Christianity are you referring to?

The 100s? The 500s? The 1500s? The 1800s?

What?

In the period from 33 AD (foundation of Christianity) to at least 70 AD, if not 136 AD, the "Jews" included not only today's rabbinical Jews but also the Jesus-movement Jews

Let's not forget that rabbinical Judaism with the Talmud etc. dates from only 70 AD if not later - derived from the Pharisees

Christianity is actually a few decades OLDER than rabbinical Judaism

For the period from 33 AD to 70 AD, the "Christians" were a sect of 2nd temple Judaism

For the period from 70 AD to 378 AD, Jesus-movement Judaism i.e. Christianity, competed with rabbinical Judaism in the Roman empire - while this competition continued until 700 AD in the Sassanid empire and until 500 AD in southern India

After the Talmud as solidified along with HAlakha in the 8th and 9th centuries, then opinions hardened on both sides

175 posted on 02/19/2024 7:05:44 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; af_vet_1981
ZC is utterly bizarre and makes absolutely no sense. It's insane.

Quite the contrary - it was simple competition between two sects of 2nd temple Judaism -- Jesus-movement Judaism and Pharisee (to become rabbinical) Judaism.

Christianity brought its own scripture in the form of the New Testament, while rabbinical Judaism brought its own scripture in the form of the Talmud and the Halakha in the 8th/9th century (as an aside, the Halakha creation (i.e. Jewish laws) was made in parallel with and cross-fertilized with Sharia - as both were made in what is now Iraq.

176 posted on 02/19/2024 7:08:05 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; af_vet_1981
ZC And yet it is so absolute and uniform that it must in some way be essential to the entire religion.

That shows a pure Eurocentricity: the Christian attitude to rabbinical Judaism in south India was far more syncretic. The Christian attitude to Rabbinical Judaism in the Sassanid empire was also quite different.

Furthermore - you have cases like the JewishKing Dhu Nawas of Yemen who massacred Christians and burnt many alive in their churches - so the attitudes were differing in BOTH communities in different places

177 posted on 02/19/2024 7:10:13 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; af_vet_1981
ZC NE and ONLY form of chrstianity that has an "orthodox," conservative philo-Semitic tradition.

That shows a pure Eurocentricity: perhaps you haven't see the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, nor the Syro-Malankara Church

178 posted on 02/19/2024 7:11:03 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; af_vet_1981
ZC yet the people who played the priestly role and slaughtered the victim are now "accursed." Does that make any sense?

So many errors, ZC, no one see's that Jews conducted the priestly role and they definitely were not the ones who nailed in the nails

Jesus was born and died a Jew as were the entire batch of first Christians except Cornelius and the Ethiopian

179 posted on 02/19/2024 7:13:36 AM PST by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

You’re attempting to justify a wrong. The Nazis used your same “logic” by making the Jews and others wear identifying marks. It was wrong in the 1200s, the 1930s and now. That you’re trying to justify this is telling.


180 posted on 02/19/2024 7:15:08 AM PST by ealgeone
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