Posted on 11/28/2023 8:38:54 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
——>Not answered by you in this thread
I posted in this thread where to get the answers (answered by me).
It’s actually only one covenant
Gen.9 [1] And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. [2] And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. [3] Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. [4] But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. [5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. [6] Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. [7] And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein. [8] And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying, [9] And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; [10] And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. [11] And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. [12] And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: [13] I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. [14] And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: [15] And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. [16] And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. [17] And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.
So true.
It only takes reading the first three chapters of Revelation to understand this.
I guess ONLY the SDA does it right.
You nailed it!
Now when the GWJ finally does occur, you can use me as an excuse for your understanding, or not, of certain parts of the Book.
Surely you do not want to rely on Elsie vs Ellen at that point!
Don’t ask simple questions, when he wants lengthy explanations.
I think you missed my point. Those 45,000 Christian denominations all view scripture differently in some ways and it defines their beliefs/denomination.
Most in that group are missing the mark on discernment.
Not what I meant.
However, the covenant made with Noah had absolutely nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins.
11. Neither shall all flesh be cut off. This “covenant” contained but one provision and assumed the form of a divine promise. Regions might be devastated and animals and men swept away by the hundreds or thousands, but never again would there be a universal destruction of the earth by a flood. However, this promise does not imply that God is bound never to destroy the world again by another means than water. His declared plan to put an end to all wickedness at the close of this world’s history by a great destructive fire (2 Peter 3:7, 10, 11; Rev. 20:9; etc.) in no way contradicts the promise.
SDA Bible Commentary
——>However, there is no forgiveness of sins in that covenant.
The ONLY covenant that forgives sins is the new covenant.
Oops, I answered one of your questions without you having to visit that other thread.
——>You nailed it!
Yes, I sure did.
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I'll also add this:
Covenant. Gr. diathēkē (see on ch. 7:22).
With the house of Israel. The new covenant is here mentioned as being made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, since it was first offered to these two houses (Jer. 31:31–34). When the Jews turned down their religious privileges, “the kingdom of God” was taken from them (see on Matt. 21:33–43). The Christian church is the inheritor of the spiritual privileges and responsibilities that once belonged to literal Israel (see Vol. IV, pp. 35, 36).
SDA Bible Commentary
And your chosen group is among those in the list.
What exactly is it that makes YOUR group’s ‘interpretation’ right over all the others?
Based on what standard?
——>No, the new covenant was not taken from the House of Israel and the House of Judah. The kingdom of God was taken from the chief priests and scribes and given to the Jewish Apostles, who will sit on twelve thrones judging the tribes of Israel.
No. Made WITH, and taken FROM. 490 years for thy people (ISRAEL) “to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity.” They failed. (This is a CRITICAL prophecy that you STILL do not understand).
Daniel 9:24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Matthew 21:43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from YOU, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Taken from some numbered chief priests and scribes in Christ’s presence and given to a NATION of people? No, that’s ridiculous.
Let’s see how NON-SDA, John Calvin, puts it.
Calvin’s Commentary on the Bible
43.Therefore I say to you. Hitherto Christ directed his discourse to rulers and governors, but in presence of the people. Now, however, he addresses in the same manner the people themselves, and not without reason, for they had been the companions and assistants of the priests and scribes in hindering the grace of God. It was from the priests, no doubt, that the evil arose, but the people had already deserved, on account of their sins, to have such corrupt and degenerate pastors. Besides, the whole body was infected, as it were, by a similar malice to resist God. This is the reason why Christ denounces against all indiscriminately the dreadful vengeance of God; for as the priests were inflated with the desire of holding the highest power, so the rest of the people gloried on the ground of having been adopted. Christ now declares that God was not bound to them, and, therefore, that he will convey to another the honor of which they rendered themselves unworthy. And this, no doubt, was once spoken to them, but was written for the sake of all of us, that, if God choose us to be His people, we may not grow wanton through a vain and wicked confidence in the flesh, but may endeavor, on our part, to perform the duties which he enjoins on his children;
for if he spared not the natural branches, (Romans 11:21,)
what will he do with those which were engrafted? The Jews thought that the kingdom of God dwelt among them by hereditary right, and therefore they adhered obstinately to their vices. We have unexpectedly come into their room contrary to nature, and therefore much less is the kingdom of God bound to us, if it be not rooted in true godliness.
Now as our minds ought to be struck with terror by the threatening of Christ, that those who have profaned the kingdom of God will be deprived of it, so the perpetuity of that kingdom, which is here described, may afford comfort to all the godly. For by these words Christ assures us that, though the ungodly destroyed the worship of God among themselves, they would never cause the name of Christ to be abolished, or true religion to perish; for God, in whose hand are all the ends of the earth, will find elsewhere a dwelling and habitation for his kingdom. We ought also to learn from this passage, that the Gospel is not preached in order that it may lie barren and inoperative, but that it may yield fruit.
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