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Silence in the Face of the Homosexual Infestation of the Clergy
Crisis Magazine ^ | November 16, 2023 | Kevin Wells

Posted on 11/16/2023 6:30:57 PM PST by ebb tide

Silence in the Face of the Homosexual Infestation of the Clergy

As long as active clergy homosexual activity persists, the Church will continue to fracture and split, where eventually it will all but collapse and disappear.

I saw the full-moon-sized face and squinted. I stared at his image for several seconds. Yes; it was him.

In the closing frame of Bishop Joseph Strickland’s 2018 USCCB plenary assembly testimony and rebuke to bishops for their concealment of homosexual predator Theodore McCarrick sat a clergy member below the dais, facing the sea of bishops.

He is seen below the dais as Bishop Strickland returns to his seat to trailing applause. Poker players call what the priest did, “a tell.” He addressed a sudden itch by his nose, as if something mysterious and invisible just struck him in the face.

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The priest’s name is Msgr. Jeffrey Burrill, then the general secretary of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. You will remember him from The Pillar’s story two years ago, the one that sent him into hiding and forced him to resign immediately from his position at the USCCB. The Pillar had gathered data showing Msgr. Burrill’s mobile phone was used throughout 2018-2020 to access Grindr, a “hook-up” app designed for people to meet up to have homosexual sex with strangers.    

It was Msgr. Burrill who held a critical oversight role in the Catholic Church’s response to the landslide of sexual abuse and misconduct scandals in 2018. In essence, one of the Church’s assigned watchdogs against clergy predation after 2018 was shown to be in bathhouses and gay bars, where he habitually pursued a homosexual lifestyle. 

You will recall that after the 2002 homosexual clergy abuse scandals, the one elected for a similar oversight role was McCarrick.   

On this autumn Thursday, Msgr. Burrill oversees a parish in a restful village in Wisconsin. Also today, after decades of proven immoral carnality, McCarrick is free to do as he wants. Disgraced Diocese of Wheeling-Charleston bishop Michael Bransfield can occasionally be found presenting himself as a bishop at glad-handing functions in West Virginia. Several-time accused sexual predator, Jesuit priest and artist Rev. Marko Rupnik, has returned to priestly ministry after his removal from the Society of Jesus. It is tedious to proceed because the point must be made: homosexually active clergy members roam untethered and unfenced in America—and Bishop Strickland, the man who tried to stop them, has been punished, and now has no home.

It is everywhere, this leviathan pus that oozes into the worldwide Church. Although it will have arrived decades too late, it is well within reason that men of stamina and sacrifice in the Roman Catholic hierarchy will eventually take on the leviathan—which is active disordered clergy homosexual activity occurring from some of the highest levels of the Church down to the local parish. 

As long as this evil persists, the Church will continue to fracture and split, where eventually it will all but collapse and disappear. Of course, the Mystical Bride of Christ will press on as a hope-filled and bright Alleliah of light, but until the putrid fountain from which many in the Church drinks is acknowledged, drained, and scrubbed clean, Our Lady’s tears will ceaselessly flow. And within a decade or so, the remnant Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger prophesied in 1969 will be wholly realized.

“If you think active priestly homosexuality is something that happened decades ago, you have no idea what is happening in the Church today,” said an individual who has served alongside priests for many years. “It is explosive. The priesthood remains one of the best hiding places on the planet for this dark lifestyle. This problem is current. And it is massive.” This person spoke without rancor, malice, or emotion. He spoke as one who might mention the weather or the score of last night’s hockey game. 

Since Bishop Strickland’s ouster five days ago, three individuals who serve in various Church capacities have told me they believe at least fifty percent of priests in their diocese are active homosexuals. The three individuals are not bomb-throwers; they simply said what they are almost certain is true.

“The Church is entering a period of a type of Babylonian captivity. Anthropologically, with active clergy homosexuality, it’s entered a period of a type of anti-fatherhood. It is the time of an anti-Bridegroom—because it is the inverse of God’s Fatherhood,” a long-time pastor said on Tuesday. “Even good and chaste bishops and faithful clergy have mostly made peace with their surrender to the homosexual culture. They know they will be crushed if they address or speak against it. You must stay silent, or you will be annihilated.” 

Just one story I’d like to share, a personal one, that demonstrates this level of annihilation—and of the manner in which active clergy homosexuality has never played well in the Church. It’s caused millions of Catholics to flee, to become Nones, agnostics, or to join any number of Protestant denominations. It’s placed hundreds of millions of dollars—that could have gone to the poor—into the hands of attorneys and the sexually scarred. 

My story: Numberless people believe the tentacles of clergy homosexuality ended the life of my uncle, Msgr. Thomas Wells, one of the most beloved and devoted priests in the history of the Archdiocese of Washington. 

Now-deceased James Cardinal Hickey of Washington D.C. transferred Msgr. Wells in the late ’90s to build a new church at a parish in Germantown, Md., and terminate a homosexual-priest coven mafia. He helped to accomplish the former but had the tables turned on him as a consequence of attempting the latter when he was stabbed to death in his rectory the summer of 2000. An unshakable conviction, shared by dozens of priests and numberless lay faithful in the Maryland/D.C. corridor, is that his life ended as a direct result of the active homosexuality practiced by priests who lived in the now-bulldozed rectory, that for years had been the site of appalling sacrilege and sin. 

Two priests, Rev. Paul E. Lavin and Rev. Aaron J. Cote, who had served at the parish, were later credibly accused as sexual predators of teenage boys. A third pastor, who seems to have vanished, is widely known to have been sexually active with other men prior to my uncle’s arrival. 

My uncle’s first act as pastor at the parish was to rip out the rectory hot tub, where parties for priests were widely known to have taken place. A secret service agent and police officer involved with the investigatory work told me Msgr. Wells died for one of two reasons: it was “a hit” for what he had learned, or “that his murderer was looking for a ‘trick’ [that night]. Msgr. Wells was murdered because of the homosexual activity that had taken place in that rectory.”

My large family was startled to learn what then-cardinal McCarrick did in the days preceding the trial of his convicted murderer, Robert Paul Lucas. McCarrick issued a letter to each priest in the Washington Archdiocese forbidding them to attend my uncle’s trial.

Very briefly, for readers perplexed by the enormity of the number of homosexually-active priests in today’s Church, I offer this explanation from Monsignor John Esseff, a 95-year-old exorcist and priest of 70-plus years who spends his days offering private retreats for clergy from his small apartment in Pennsylvania. He has heard, arguably, more priests’ confessions than any priest in the world. When Mother Teresa asked him in the early ’80s to begin the work of forming priests, he began to travel to seminaries to present retreats, where he said he repeatedly came face-to-face with the malevolent shadow of homosexuality. When he voiced his concerns and warnings to seminary rectors, he was often politely rebuffed. It was then that he came to realize that a closeted subculture had been set free to roam and deform the spotless Bride from within.

“I began to see that the seminary was the sick womb of Holy Mother Church. Priests became deformed in the belly of the church—or if you were a well-intentioned and good seminarian, you were going to be aborted. The guys who were real, they would just leave. 

“I saw it as demonic. It was easy to piece together—when you’re anti-Eucharist, anti-Mary, and anti-prayer, you’re of the demonic.”

So what to do? Gathered today at the USCCB meetings in Baltimore is much of the “old guard.” Each older bishop is fully aware of, or possibly even involved in the hidden subculture. It can be imagined that every American bishop—young or old, faithful or unfaithful, masculine or the opposite—grasps to some degree the strain of active homosexuality within their ranks and in their own dioceses. It can also be imagined that not a single mention of the scourge will occur throughout the meetings.

Meanwhile, dispiritedness crushes the souls of countless millions of faithful laity who noiselessly beg to be nourished by a shepherd or two who speaks out against it—who understands their identity to protect and guard their scarred consciences. Deliberate Catholics despise the so-called Lavender Mafia, and the piecemeal destruction of the Church’s sacred traditions their sins have wrought. They hate that their children are now questioning the existence of God and of His Natural law. 

On Tuesday, Cardinal Christophe Pierre, the Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, merged the Synod on Synodality with the Eucharistic Revival. He used the familiar Gospel story of the Road to Emmaus to attempt to marry the Source and Summit of our faith with the month-long October event countless Catholic laity question. Cardinal Pierre clearly does not understand the mind of the exhausted American Catholic, who thought he had, alas, stepped from the word salad haze of synodal adverbs and adjectives. 

It is nouns and verbs laity starves for today: adoration, mortification, signal graces, contemplative prayer, sanctity, Hell, etc. Sadly, even a faithful, daily Mass attendee may never once hear any of the aforementioned terms—and that is an enormous and frightening issue. Why? Because it means our Catholic faith is disappearing before our very eyes, in the very place we come to be fed by it—in the Sacrifice of the Mass and from the priestly voice behind the ambo.     

There is a major identity crisis in the priesthood today. It is a rupture. Clergy members who are engaged in homosexual relations cannot properly nourish their flock in the dimension laity deserves—but that’s, perhaps, not the gravest problem. Is the bigger problem that chaste and faithful bishops and priests are too afraid to speak plainly about the homosexual scourge in their Church, and to finally work at cleaning things up? Or is it an even bigger problem than that—is clergy’s reticence to preaching against the rampaging LGBTQ movement contributing to the wide-scale acceleration of the secularization of their parishioners? 

An enormously growing faction of regular Sunday Mass-goers, who ten years ago would have rejected the notion of so-called homosexual marriage, now have no issue with it. In October, when Pope Francis didn’t reject the notion of blessing same-sex relationships in his response to questions presented to him by a handful of bishops, why would a poorly catechized Catholic lay member take issue with it—especially in light of the fact that their pastor does not wade into the Church’s teaching on homosexual acts?    

Bishops and clergy members are called to live a holy life, care for souls, and help to lead folks to heaven. They are called to be unblinking heralds of Truth. But outside the finger of God, until they begin to break from their silence on the homosexual scourge in their Church, we seem headed directly toward schism.

There seems to be only one answer to solving the issue. If a bishop or clergy member ascertains indisputable proof of an actively gay clergy member, he must suggest in private that the individual immediately meets with his superior and tender his resignation. If the individual refuses, he must take the case to an honest bishop or cardinal, and provide a detailed report of what he knows. If this, too, fails, he must go to a member of the Catholic media, and urge the reporter to write the story in full.

Perhaps the greatest problem facing the Church is that in its long-standing comfort, it has repeatedly chosen the path of least resistance. Clergy who lay low with knowledge of a homosexually-active bishop or priest reject their mandate to protect the flock. When a priest quietly ignores the neighborhood’s library transgender story hour or President Joe Biden’s embrace of childhood sex mutilation and homosexual marriage, et. al, it is a stain on his identity.

Christ commanded Peter to tend, care for, and spiritually nourish His flock. The celibate nature of the Roman Church was to liberate the priest to be radically available to accomplish this task. Christ requested martyrs before ascending to His Father. Is there a holy Athanasius among you, one willing to stand among your brethren at today’s meeting to at least begin the conversation? The laity starves for you.  

Our Lady will be guarding you, her little Athanasius, if you do decide to stand up. And it will be you that finally slowed her tears. And I imagine she will tell you as much one day.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: frankenchurch; homos; jeffreyburrill; lavendermafia; usccb
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To: caddie
Your list exposes why Roman Catholicism is not the true church. During the mass the priest is said to summon Jesus down from heaven and representing Him on the altar again. From The Faith of millions, by O’Brien, a Roman Catholic priest.

If we look at the accounts of the Lord’s Supper in the Gospels and 1 Corinthians we don’t find the Roman Catholic version.

61 posted on 11/17/2023 6:55:41 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: metmom
God gave churches elders, overseers, prophets, apostles, teachers, and deacons and the qualifications for those positions are found in Scripture as well. (1 Corinthians 12, 1 Timothy 3, Titus 1)

One might even call them Saints, Bishops, and Cardinals.

62 posted on 11/17/2023 7:16:22 AM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88; metmom

Or one could stay with the biblical definitions….


63 posted on 11/17/2023 7:35:45 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Jesus does not dwell in physical objects like a wheat wafer or a church building. That is pantheism.

He is seated in bodily form in heaven right now.

The Holy Spirit dwells in the hearts of born again believers and THAT is who makes up the body of Christ. The body of Christ is not a religious organization. It’s spiritually regenerated people.


64 posted on 11/17/2023 8:22:45 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ebb tide

Arguably the biggest scandal of our lifetime. The only thing close is the total and complete corruption of the U.S. government agencies.


65 posted on 11/17/2023 8:27:16 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: maddog55

“Religion is free and personal and doesn’t require a church or any clergy.”

Might be applicable if all humans were born as adults and with associated full knowledge as an adult. Under your nonsensical premise, I can easily see the creation of millions of religions, all slightly different than another, and conflicting, but eventually coagulating into “churches” with clergy, anyway.


66 posted on 11/17/2023 8:27:58 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: ebb tide

Prayers for Holy Mother Church.


67 posted on 11/17/2023 8:41:22 AM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: metmom

THIS!


68 posted on 11/17/2023 9:01:59 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

They are not idols.

It is like wearing a cross or a crucifix around your neck.

For religious communities is began as an article of clothing signifying Jesus Christ with His Most Sacred Heart and on the other any image of the Mother of God.

It is encouragement to live a grace filled life for our salvation. It assumes an attachment to and perseverance in prayer and some form of penance, not just the wearing of a physical object.


69 posted on 11/17/2023 10:05:59 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ealgeone

Again, protestant heretical assumptions that if it is not fit their belief, then they reject it.

I have doubts about whether you fully understand what Jesus taught and God’s truths, as you seem to follow man-made beliefs that are contrary to God’s Truths.

Jesus and the Apostles taught orally and was passed down to us as Sacred Tradition and was later written down into Sacred Scripture. So you can thank the Catholic church for writing down these oral teachings and truths from Jesus.

A “rule of faith” is something that is authoritative for faith, and we have two infallible authorities for the Faith in addition to Scripture. Apostolic Tradition is an infallible source of information regarding it, and the Magisterium is an infallible interpretive authority.

I Corinthians 3:11-15 may well be the most straightforward text in all of Sacred Scripture when it comes to Purgatory:

For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble—each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

No Christian sect I know of even attempts to deny this text speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. It says our works will go through “fire,” figuratively speaking. In Scripture, “fire” is used metaphorically in two ways: as a purifying agent (Mal. 3:2-3; Matt. 3:11; Mark 9:49); and as that which consumes (Matt. 3:12; 2 Thess. 1:7-8). So it is a fitting symbol here for God’s judgment. Some of the “works” represented are being burned up and some are being purified. These works survive or burn according to their essential “quality” (Gr. hopoiov – of what sort).

What is being referred to cannot be heaven because there are imperfections that need to be “burned up” (see again, Rev. 21:27, Hab. 1:13). It cannot be hell because souls are being saved. So what is it? The Protestant calls it “the Judgment” and we Catholics agree. We Catholics simply specify the part of the judgment of the saved where imperfections are purged as “Purgatory.”
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

Do you even believe that Jesus established His Catholic Church with 7 Sacraments as a path for our salvation? That is in the Bible too!

This seems so simple. It’s common sense. Scripture is very clear when it says, “But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, “You [God]… are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong…” How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace.

I hope that you are in the state of grace when you die so that you can enter Purgatory or Heaven.


70 posted on 11/17/2023 10:06:15 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ADSUM
Respectfully, it is an idol. It is nothing remotely close to wearing a cross or anything similar.

Your description of this is disingenuous as it doesn’t reflect what the origin of this idol was. You know your information is wrong yet you post it anyway.

An apparition claiming to be Mary made certain promises of avoiding the hellfire IF the wearer followed the rules correctly. In other words it caused the deceived to trust in the words of an apparition over the inspired words of the Bible.

71 posted on 11/17/2023 10:19:57 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: metmom

Your comment: “Jesus’ command to people was *Follow Me.* He didn’t say to follow a religion or humans who set themselves up as some kind of spiritual authority.”

Yes, Jesus said “FOLLOW ME” and He said “unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” John 6:53

Christ established His Catholic Church with 7 Sacraments for our salvation.

No one is going to force you, it is your choice to follow Jesus and His Truths.

Christ’s Truths are in the Catholic faith and there are sinners in the Catholic Church and well as the rest of the world and the protestant religions. Don’t blame or follow the sinners, follow Christ’s Truth.


72 posted on 11/17/2023 10:25:40 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ealgeone
Not debating, but rather correcting, as the Messiah did with other religious

There are many Catholics in the East who are not Roman Catholics, such as Maronite Catholics, Ukrainian Catholics, and Chaldean Catholics. These are all in communion with the pope, but they are not members of the Roman rite, so they are not Roman Catholics.

The Roman rite is not stricter than these other rights. They are equal. They all teach the same faith; it is only local customs that are different among them.


If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him. — Genesis 4:7
73 posted on 11/17/2023 10:25:43 AM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: ealgeone

Your opinion. You show no facts that support that anyone is worshipping a medal or piece of cloth.

The whole Bible and Sacred Tradition is about doing God’s will to avoid Hell.

The Blessed Mother and Jesus have both appeared to help us on the path to salvation.

It is apparent that they appear to Catholics to help us lead more holy lives if we follow them.

Do you pray the Divine Mercy prayer that Jesus gave to St Faustina (approx in 1939)?


74 posted on 11/17/2023 11:06:39 AM PST by ADSUM ( )
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To: ebb tide

The feminization of the church has produced a theology of sentiment devoid of ethics.


75 posted on 11/17/2023 1:17:30 PM PST by Lou Foxwell (It takes a uniquely Marxist mind to deny Trump's call to patriotism.)
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To: ADSUM; metmom
>>Your comment: “Jesus’ command to people was *Follow Me.* He didn’t say to follow a religion or humans who set themselves up as some kind of spiritual authority.”<<

Except that is exactly what Roman Catholicism says one must do per Unam Sanctam. All have to be subject to the pope.

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

https://www.papalencyclicals.net/bon08/b8unam.htm

Yet, on these very forums some of your fellow Roman Catholics are not being subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Yes, Jesus said “FOLLOW ME” and He said “unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” John 6:53

Roman Catholicism has taken this verse completely out of context when evaluated against the five accounts of the Lord's Supper in the New Testament.

We participate in the Lord's Supper as a remembrance of His sacrifice on the Cross. It is not for salvation as an unsaved person is not to participate in the Lord's Supper.

Matthew 26:26-29Mark 14:22-24Luke 22:14-20John 13:21-261 Corinthians 11:23-26
 26While they were eating, Jesus took some bread, and after a blessing, He broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”  27And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; 

28for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

29“But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

  22While they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is My body.” 23And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, and they all drank from it.

24And He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

 25“Truly I say to you, I will never again drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”.

    14When the hour had come, He reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. 15And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; 18for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”19And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you;

 do this in remembrance of Me.”

 20And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

   21When Jesus had said this, He became troubled in spirit, and testified and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, that one of you will betray Me.” 22The disciples began looking at one another, at a loss to know of which one He was speaking.23There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24So Simon Peter gestured to him, and said to him, “Tell us who it is of whom He is speaking.” 25He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom, said to Him, “Lord, who is it?”

 26Jesus then answered, “That is the one for whom I shall dip the morsel and give it to him.” So when He had dipped the morsel, He took and gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 

  23For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you;

 do this in remembrance of Me.”

 25In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in  remembrance of Me.” 

26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

  

Key Phrases/words:

Poured out: In the OT the blood sacrifice was never consumed; it was always poured out. We further have the drink offering which was poured out before God as a sacrifice (Ex 29:40, Numbers 15:4-5).

29.11 ἀνάμνησις, εως f: (derivative of ἀναμιμνῄσκω ‘to cause to remember,’ 29.10) the means for causing someone to remember—‘means of remembering, reminder.’ ἀλλ’ ἐν αὐταῖς ἀνάμνησις ἁμαρτιῶν κατ’ ἐνιαυτόν ‘but in those (sacrifices) there is a yearly reminder of sins’ or ‘… that people have sinned’ He 10:3. Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 347). New York: United Bible Societies.

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Further, there is this from the Faith of Millions written by a Roman Catholic priest. The contradiction with Scripture on the nature of His one time sacrifice not to be repeated again and again is noted.

John O' Brien, Roman Catholic Priest in the Faith of Millions.Hebrews 9:24-28Hebrews 10:11-13
When the priest pronounces the tremendous words of consecration, he reaches up into the heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the Victim for the sins of man. It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. While the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man—not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him. Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

76 posted on 11/17/2023 2:21:43 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
Your opinion. You show no facts that support that anyone is worshipping a medal or piece of cloth.

I didn't say they worshiped the idol...I said, "An apparition claiming to be Mary made certain promises of avoiding the hellfire IF the wearer followed the rules correctly. In other words it caused the deceived to trust in the words of an apparition over the inspired words of the Bible."

IF it serves no purpose....why wear it??

The Blessed Mother and Jesus have both appeared to help us on the path to salvation.

Mary plays zero part in a person's salvation. There are no instances in the New Testament of people appealing to Mary or praying to Mary for their salvation.

The apparitions claiming to be Mary are false if one compares their message with what is in inspired Scripture.

Do you pray the Divine Mercy prayer that Jesus gave to St Faustina (approx in 1939)?

Nope. And nor do I pray to her as some have. Nor can we confirm Jesus actually appeared to her.

77 posted on 11/17/2023 2:36:49 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981
And I'm correcting here.

The Catholic religion is the religion of the Catholic Church—i.e., that group of churches in communion with the pope. If a group isn’t in communion with the pope, it isn’t part of the Catholic Church.

We don't have to be in communion with or be subject to the pope.

We do have to be following Christ, and only Christ.

78 posted on 11/17/2023 2:40:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ADSUM
You are doing the epitome of cherry picking to support your doctrine.

Jesus command to *Follow Me* was to individuals and not at all connected to His dissertation in John 6, which He did tell us was a metaphor in John 6:63.

And since the consumption of blood is strictly forbidden by God both before the Law, under the Law, and reiterated at the Council at Jerusalem, the Catholic command to drink the blood of Jesus violates every command God gave in Scripture, putting them at odds with God and the Holy Spirit (Acts 15).

But go ahead and think cannibalizing Jesus is the way to be spiritually reborn.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life.

It cannot be put any plainer than that. The Spirit gives life. The flesh is NO help at all. Spiritual life is not gotten through the flesh.

79 posted on 11/17/2023 2:41:56 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: ADSUM

Jesus doesn’t help us on the path to salvation. HE ***IS*** the way of salvation. And Mary can’t help either. She does not have the power to do that..

It is the job of the Holy Spirit to convict people of sin, enlighten them, and lead them to Jesus so that they might be saved.

Only He can impart spiritual life. Mary cannot do that, nor any other job that only God can do. And you all wonder why people think you deify Mary.

Sheesh, you give her all the attributes of God and the abilities, etc.


80 posted on 11/17/2023 2:46:46 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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