Posted on 11/16/2023 6:30:57 PM PST by ebb tide
8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; 11and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
14having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us;
and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Col 2:8-14 NASB
He's either done what He said He'd do or He hasn't in this matter.
He's either forgiven all our transgressions or He hasn't.
He's either cancelled the certificate of debt or He hasn't.
He's either taken it out of the way and nailed it to the cross or He hasn't.
So I ask you....do you believe this passage? It is really that simple.
Also note...it is Christ Who is doing this. He is the one making us whole....not us.
For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
We are not holy in and of ourselves, but Christ's holy character is credited to our account so God can then relate to us as if we were sinless.
Additionally, the new, spiritually reborn part of us is with out sin so that when this body dies, the old sinful nature is gone and what's left is the new born again sinless nature.
If He is the one doing the saving...and He is...He will be the One making us righteous.
As Paul noted....all of our efforts are but like filthy rags.
No problem - those who have been reborn through faith in Jesus Christ are one with Him and with the Father through the Holy Spirit. Together we are the Body of Christ. Different, as Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians, but of the same body.
THEY say, "But look at what Jesus Himself said, "Take, eat; this is my body." (Matthew 26:26)
But He also said, "Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Greek "goes out into the latrine" - Mark 7:19) (Mark 7:18-19)
IS THERE ANY RCCer here who can explain - WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR "change of the whole substance of bread into the substance of the Body of Christ and of the whole substance of wine into the substance of the Blood of Christ" AFTER you've taken your "holy Eucharist"?
AND since you think (wrongly) that you are depending on the Word (Mt 26:26) when you try to support (your false) doctrine of transubstantiation -- EXPLAIN yourself using God's Word (not the latrine contents taken from your traditions) !
If not, then 1 Cor 11:28.
So you don’t believe that Jesus can perform miracles?
If Jesus says “Take, eat; this is my body/” and “Drink of of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”, then it must be God’s Truth. It was taught in John 6 and not corrected in any way.
So you don’t believe in the word of God, then you reject Jesus and the Apostles?
I will believe in the word of Jesus, and not the word of men.
Transubstantiation is not not a doctrine but an explanation to help us understand God’s miracle.
Each of us has a choice to believe in the words and actions of Jesus Christ that has been followed by the Apostles and Catholic Church since the beginning or believe in the heretical words of men since 1500’s.
Peter replied to Jesus: “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”
God bless all and continue to seek God’s Truth.
The path to salvation is accepting Jesus, including Baptism, repentance, belief in the word of God, keeping his commandments, eating and drinking his body and blood, etc.
One can reject Jesus even if they proclaim they have faith if they reject his teachings.
Our parents, Christ’s Catholic Church, God, our friends, our relatives, the Blessed Mother of God, the saints and many more can all lead us on the path to eternal life with God.
Others can lead us away from God and we can follow others on the easy path to destruction.
Ephesians 4:29 tells us that you and I are to “impart grace” to others by our words. As members of the body of Christ, we are called to “impart” (or mediate) grace in a variety of ways, including ministries of healing, teaching, and prayer.
Why did the theif on the cross believe in Jesus?
His “Religion” was believing in Jesus.
The Bible is God breathed, written by men inspired by the holy spirit.
Are you a Catholic?
Your comment: “His dissertation in John 6, which He did tell us was a metaphor in John 6:63.”
Show me where Jesus said it was a metaphor? Looks like another protestant heresy.
One needs to follow Jesus by eating and drinking His Body and Blood. Apparently protestants deem it not necessary as they have no life.
Apparently, the flesh of Jesus profiteth nothing. So little faith in Jesus. So little understanding that Jesus wants to abide in us and that we abide in Him.
So the words of Jesus ‘profiteth nothing’? So little understanding of the meaning of the words of Jesus.
You ignore the very words that Jesus spoke that contradict your understanding: “the words that I have spoken are Spirit and life.” John 6:63
Why are you so haughty that you ignore the very words that you quote?
I am sorry if I am making you mad, but I just don’t want you to follow the influence of Satan.
Believing in Jesus is not about joining or *having*
a religion.
Religions did not give us Scripture/the Bible.
The Holy Spirit did.
One does not need a religion to ask Jesus to forgive them and give them eternal life.
The Law prohibits the consumption of blood. Eating human flesh is cannibalism and prohibited.
Jesus said John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
And
Matthew 5:17-19 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Why don't Catholics believe the words of Jesus? HE said that the flesh is no help at all. The flesh doesn't do ANYTHING. It's the Spirit who gives life. He could not have stated it more clearly than that.
Yet Catholics have a consistent problem with believing plain, clear direct words of Jesus because they also disobey him by calling their religious leaders by the title of *Father* which Jesus COMMANDED them not to do.
Additionally, HE said that he did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it.
He did not change wine into blood and command His followers to engage in what is normally the satanic practice of blood drinking in violation of the Law.
He did not drink and eat it Himself because He COULD NOT HAVE. Otherwise He would have violated the Law and sinned and not fulfilled it. Now would He have commanded His followers to sin by violating the law.
Peter himself recognized that the cup and bread were only symbolic. In Acts 10, when he had the vision of the sheet, he told God THREE times that he had never eaten anything unclean.
Eating blood would have done that to him and therefore he COULD NOT have done it or he was lying to God about never having eaten anything unclean.
Why don't Catholics believe the words of their (alleged) first pope, Himself being an apostle?
Not only does Catholic theology and doctrine reject the words of Jesus, they reject the words of the apostle Peter, too.
Oh, Oh! It’s the Protestant Vs Catholic Theology Debate!
Nonsense.
And no one is rejecting His teachings when they reject Catholicism's *interpretation* of them, which means they change it's meaning to make it mean what Catholicism wants it to mean to support their doctrine instead of what it actually says.
Our parents, Christ’s Catholic Church, God, our friends, our relatives, the Blessed Mother of God, the saints and many more can all lead us on the path to eternal life with God.
Nope. They cannot impart saving faith to the believers. Only the Holy Spirit can do that.
See John 6:63 in the previous post.
Only God can draw a person to Himself resulting in saving faith.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Ephesians 4:29 tells us that you and I are to “impart grace” to others by our words. As members of the body of Christ, we are called to “impart” (or mediate) grace in a variety of ways, including ministries of healing, teaching, and prayer.
By putting those conditions on it, you are changing what Eph 4:29 says.
In context, the verse is only speaking about not being vulgar using *unwholesome* talk which does not impart saving faith or the grace we need to live the Christian life.
Prayer itself cannot impart anything. It can't impart grace and can't heal anyone. Only God can impart or do that. Asking HIM to do it is not US doing it. We do not have the ability to do that.
Nor are we called mediators, or called to be mediators.
Paul here clearly does not mean that prayer for others is mediation because he first instructs us to do it and then comes right out and tells us that there is only ONE mediator, and that is Jesus.
1 Timothy 2:1-5 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
Where would Catholic doctrine be without verses taken out of context? NOWHERE.
Get away from me Satan and your lies.
Christ is the Bread of Life. God the Father with His only begotten son created life and hope are the Spirit who gives life.
The words that Jesus spoke are spirit and life. Christ flesh and blood are human and divine. What we receive in the Eucharist is the living Body and Blood of Christ for our salvation.
Jesus revoked the mosaic food laws when he declared all foods “clean” Mt 7:19 You should be thankful as a sign that Jesus opened the new covenant to gentiles. Read verse 28 on how Peter reacted to God. You seem to miss key points that would help your understanding.
Jesus tells us truly that you have no life in you when you ignore John 6:53.
You are broken record and ignore specific teachings from Jesus that don’t agree with your protestant beliefs and try to blame others.
You have not shown any facts that Catholic theology and doctrine reject the words of Jesus, only your biased anti-Catholic opinion.
I hope that when you read the Bible that you understand that Satan lied to Adam and Eve to cause their downfall. You seem to represent the lies of Satan about Christ and the Eucharist.
I hope that the Holy Spirit can lead to truly understand Jesus and not Satan’s version.
to explain Jesus' apparent contradiction and then accuse me of lacking faith.
That's your failure, not mine.
MAYBE there's no contradiction at all and Jesus was speaking figuratively (Jn 16:25) - Just like when He said He is a door, a vine, or bread, or that we are sheep, that He gave you a literal yoke to wear.
Maybe your religion has been wrong all these years and now:
((I'm sorry but I have better things to do now than to continue to challenge you.
So "Bye!"))
Your comment: “And no one is rejecting His teachings when they reject Catholicism’s *interpretation* of them, which means they change it’s meaning to make it mean what Catholicism wants it to mean to support their doctrine instead of what it actually says.”
Yes, one can reject the teaching of Jesus that was delegated to the Catholic Church to teach all nations. IT is called heresy.
Perhaps you should read: Luke 10:16 The messengers of Jesus carry his authority wherever they go. To reject Christ’s Church is to reject the Father and Jesus.
St. Thomas (II-II, Q. xi, a. 1) defines heresy: “a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas”. “The right Christian faith consists in giving one’s voluntary assent to Christ in all that truly belongs to His teaching. There are, therefore, two ways of deviating from Christianity: the one by refusing to believe in Christ Himself, which is the way of infidelity common to Pagans and Jews; the other by restricting belief to certain points of Christ’s doctrine selected and fashioned at pleasure, which is the way of heretics. The subject-matter of both faith and heresy is, therefore, the deposit of the faith, that is, the sum total of truths revealed in Scripture and Tradition as proposed to our belief by the Church. The believer accepts the whole deposit as proposed by the Church; the heretic accepts only such parts of it as commend themselves to his own approval.
Amen, sister!
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“…Scripture and Tradition as proposed…”
Put another way: ADD SOME.
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