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Five Miracles Atheists Believe
PatriotandLiberty ^ | 2022 | Don Batten

Posted on 10/23/2023 1:39:00 AM PDT by spirited irish

Did you know that atheists must believe in miracles? How so?

As plant biologist, Dr Don Batten, explains, there are many things in the universe that defy naturalistic explanations. That is to say, naturalistic explanations for these events actually _contradict_ the very laws of physics, chemistry, genetics, and so on, that naturalism is built on! Believing these events happened naturally anyway—in spite of the evidence—is like believing in magic!

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1 posted on 10/23/2023 1:39:00 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: sphinx; Jonty30; grcuster; Nervous Tick; reviled downesdad; sauropod; metmom; ViLaLuz; ...

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2 posted on 10/23/2023 1:42:26 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: spirited irish

There’s nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth!


3 posted on 10/23/2023 2:06:57 AM PDT by equaviator (If 60 is the new 40 then 35 must be the new 15.)
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To: spirited irish

Five major examples are given:
1. The origin of the universe
2. The origin of the stars
3. The origin of life
4. The origin of the diversity of life
5. The origin of meaning, morality, and intellect


4 posted on 10/23/2023 2:13:39 AM PDT by newfreep ("There is no race problem...just a problem race")
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To: spirited irish

Thx!


5 posted on 10/23/2023 2:21:37 AM PDT by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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To: spirited irish
Here's another miracle, and it's a whopper: The entire physical world and universe and all parts of each work together with mathematical precision, from subatomic particles to the galaxies.

As mathematicians have said, humans don't invent equations and formulae that explain reality, they discover them. These equations and formulae were just sitting there, waiting to be found (and there are an infinite number of such equations still waiting for us).

As many have said, mathematics is the language of God.

Bottom line: If physical reality (from cute puppies and kittens to distant star systems) weren't carefully designed and created, it would be nothing but random chaos. Instead, it is a beautiful and infinitely complex fractal kaleidoscope.

6 posted on 10/23/2023 3:21:13 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: spirited irish
You might say that both Christians and atheists are compelled to believe in miracles—but Christianity has a suitable miracle worker, while atheism doesn’t.

Atheism doesn't need one.

7 posted on 10/23/2023 3:44:38 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Everyone needs Him, even if they deny it


8 posted on 10/23/2023 3:59:23 AM PDT by nevermorelenore ( If My people will pray ....)
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To: spirited irish

I worked for ten years at a world class observatory.
Most all astronomers claimed that there was no God.
They used all their brain power to explain order from chaos
eg. miracles.
I held my tongue, what little what was left from biting it so much.
I realized it was really a racket, a hobby for which they were handsomely paid.
The observing part seems sensible enough. Drawing conclusions was their weak spot.
They don’t get questioned about that much.
Because then they have to admit some intelligent design or
get get into physics that are beyond where we exist.


9 posted on 10/23/2023 4:12:14 AM PDT by rellic
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To: rellic

📌


10 posted on 10/23/2023 4:23:10 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( See"War by🙏🙏 the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors. 10.5.6.5)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“Interesting that many an atheist has more faith in what they don’t believe than many Christians have in what they do” L.Star


11 posted on 10/23/2023 4:35:35 AM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: RoosterRedux

Well said.

Fruit and vegetable Gardening is my hobby. I am awed by the process.

Very tiny dry seeds are planted in dirt. Sun and water is all that is then required. (The dirt just happens to have the right nutrients to feed the seeds). Living plants then grow out of the ground in a vast variety of forms, colors, flavors and nutrients. Red, Purple, Green, Yellow and more. Flavors, from sweet to hot. I marvel……same soil and same sun. Where does the intense hot chemical from a jalapeno pepper come from?
How does it happen that the nutrients from my plants are exactly what the human body needs?

One squash from one plant, when opened has a hundred or more seeds to replant plants that would fill my yard. Each small seed is programmed. It will dry when stored, yet that programming will remain stagnant and dry until it is once again placed in the soil.

This is not a miracle? Plants just so happened to evolve in the same manner as creatures? How did they know what nutrients creatures needed to feed on? What a coincidence. NOT.


12 posted on 10/23/2023 4:37:23 AM PDT by xenia ( “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it” George Orwell)
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To: spirited irish

The Atheist is a boogeyman invented by religious people to scare little children.

The vast majority of us who do not subscribe to religious beliefs do not go around introducing ourselves as atheists, or naturalists. We don’t worry about the silly distinction between atheism and agnosticism. Most of us are happy to let things beyond our knowledge remain a mystery.

Then the religious person will say “Ahah! Then you are not an atheist, you are an agnostic!” To which the nonbeliever (atheist, naturalist, agnostic, whatever) will reply “If you say so”.

I am an atheist in the sense that I don’t ‘believe’ in god - I don’t really think in terms of “belief”. That’s a word used mostly by religious (superstitious) people.

I think there is scientific knowledge, there is theory, there is guesswork - and then there is imagination - I’m not sure where “belief” fits in. As for the question of whether there is a god, I don’t imagine there is one, but anything is possible in the vast realm beyond our knowledge… who am I to say your imaginary friend doesn’t exist?


13 posted on 10/23/2023 4:37:35 AM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Atheism needs something, currently it has no moorings of which it can justify itself.

All Atheism has for a fundamental building block is the stamen “Their is no God because we said so.”

Denial is the only precept. Atheism cannot explain a single thing in the physical world (that was the point of the listed miracles in the article, physics fails entirely to justify a lack of God’s existence) nor the metaphysical as all the suppositions have no basis, only assertions.

Seriously, attempt to create a justification for an individualistic moral sociality outside of a Creator. It continues to baffle all who have tried.

Simple experiment, explain why I should not take advantage of every one I see if I can gain personally from it, regardless of who it harms. If I can get away with it why should I not? Not talking a forced legal aspect, literally disusing the core moral justification for anyone to do “good.”

In a chaotic universe of randomness there is no “good” and no rationally justified reason for a person to choose another’s “good” over their own self interests.


14 posted on 10/23/2023 4:38:00 AM PDT by Skwor
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To: spirited irish
Five Miracles Atheists Believe Are More Plausible Than the Fantastic Explanations Offered by Bronze-Age Nomadic Tribemen

Regards,

15 posted on 10/23/2023 4:41:15 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: spirited irish

Anybody that really understands DNA knows it did not happen by accident.


16 posted on 10/23/2023 4:41:42 AM PDT by George J. Jetso
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To: RoosterRedux
...The entire physical world and universe and all parts of each work together with mathematical precision ...

Mathematics is the pursuit of relationships that are free of contradiction. In an objective Universe contradictions cannot exist. Therefore it is no surprise the two overlap as well as they do.

17 posted on 10/23/2023 4:46:58 AM PDT by Nateman (If Mohammad was not the Anti Christ Mad Moe definitely comes in as a Strong second.)
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To: Qwapisking
Interesting that many an atheist has more faith in what they don’t believe than many Christians have in what they do

Many an atheist simply chooses - in the face of puzzling circumstances and/or incomplete evidence - to suspend judgement and/or refrain from embracing one of the many competing "explanations" offered by the various different religious texts floating around out there.

The intellectually honest atheist simply declares: "Until I am presented with forensic-level evidence and sound, logical arguments, I will not adopt any stance on a given subject. Or, if I am building a space probe to Pluto or a microchip, I will adopt a provisional belief that is most compatible with actual experience (i.e., it works!). However, I will not adopt any worldview based upon the premise 'You just have to make a leap of faith - or suffer for all Eternity!'"

Regards,

18 posted on 10/23/2023 4:47:48 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: xenia
Very true.

Miracles are all around us all day long.

In fact, it is probably because we are inundated with a constant flood of miracles--all day, every day--that we are unable to see them.

Being overwhelmed by miracles, they become invisible to us. As does the "person" behind them.;-)

19 posted on 10/23/2023 4:51:54 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with a strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Here's another miracle, and it's a whopper: The entire physical world and universe and all parts of each work together with mathematical precision, from subatomic particles to the galaxies.

A prime example of blind ignorance of the Anthropic Principle.

In short: Of course, if all of those parts didn't work in perfect precision we wouldn't even be here to remark upon that!

Regards,

20 posted on 10/23/2023 4:51:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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