Posted on 07/24/2023 1:20:30 AM PDT by spirited irish
It’s not often that we ask to reproduce an article that has already appeared elsewhere, but this one is exceptional. John Lofton, a Christian, here interviews Craig Palmer, who, along with Randy Thornhill, is one of two evolutionist academic authors of the book, A Natural History Of Rape: Biological Bases Of Sexual Coercion (MIT Press). The book argues that rape is to be expected on the basis of our alleged evolutionary heritage. Many other evolutionists have attacked the book’s thesis; this interview brilliantly spotlights the inconsistency between evolution and the idea of moral values in a society. We do not know the interviewer, but we commend him for his unashamed willingness to confront an unbeliever with the truth, yet in a way that is full of wisdom and insight.
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Yep... he who passes on his genes, wins!
ping to “So, if men rape for evolutionary reasons then they are not responsible for their rape? “
Passing on his genes, that’s what Epstein claimed as his rationale for enslavement of young girls.
In the evolutionary scheme of things if you don’t pass them on you’re a dead end.
So, from a certain point of view, he was doing what nature drove him to do.
Isn’t that nice.
Ideas have consequences. To quote a favourite band of mine ... “welcome to the days you’ve made”
For most of human history, the primary determinant of whether you got the girl in your bed was not whether she thought you handsome and charming, but rather whether you could convince her family that you could support her and keep her and the kids from starving.
Democrat Kiddie Rapers.
The interviewer seems to think there are moral absolutes. I’m not at all sure about that. Take this example, rape. Clearly the stronger tribe/nation seemed to think it was just fine to treat conquered people/slaves that way. We have too many examples to count throughout history.
So in some (many?) societies while rape may be technically illegal, it was at the very least winked at depending on the circumstances.
Does this mean everybody is free to decide to do whatever the hell they want? Sure! They’re also free to suffer the consequences for it when the group has decided certain behavior is immoral and unacceptable. Generally, we have evolved as social animals and that means we have empathy for others and generally do not harm others. We see harm to others as immoral and enact laws and proscribe punishments for breaking those laws.
The fact that every society on earth at least declares committing harms to others illegal ought to tell us something. You can’t have a society in which committing widespread acts of harm to others is permissible. That will lead to chaos...a Hobbesian world of a perpetual war of all against all.
Laws against things like rape are necessary for the existence of civilizations and societies.
Yep. Every society needs rules, much like any game or competition needs rules.
However if you convince the participants that there is no such thing as an umpire, your rules will not avail you.
Yes, both Christianity and science agree that man is born bad. Original sin and evolutionary nature are two sides of the same coin.
How do they explain homos raping young boys?
Therefore rape acceptance is not a civilizations evolutionary strength but rather guarantees its death. Additionally Divine Providence abhors the conditions of human suffering and slavery associated with rape, adding the increased difficulty for the survival of a rapine civilization among humans.
Rape of any child is about power and control. It is just that a rape of a girl can lead to pregnancy.
Interesting angle. I hadn’t thought about this.
I raised many animals on our small farm. None of the males asked permission of the females, or married them before impregnating them. For the most part, this is the animal way. So if we are simply animals as well having evolved from lower life forms, who is to say it is wrong behavior?
If one counts modern humans , Neanderthals, and Denisovans as humans (Homo) then we have 300,000 years of history to ponder.
During most of that time women were necessary to keep the tribe whole but many died in child birth, so the evolutionary thing to do was to steal a woman from another tribe. By modern standards that would be rape, but for millennia it was survival of the fittest.
I’m sure the families were not consulted until societal rules evolved to stop theft of property and people.
Your farm illustration fails at this point: females do not mate if not in heat and if not in heat reject the males attempt to mate. Only females in heat mate, and in doing so they are not raped, but willing partners.
Interestingly, males do not usually attempt to mate with females that are not in heat......
When a female wants to mate, it is not rape. She is a willing participant.
My observations are the same.
A mare that is not ready for the stallion can kick. Hard.
A stallion approaching a mare watches to see how she feels about it. Does she move? Does she stand? Does she look like she’s aiming for serious damage? A horse has got to be careful!
Same with all other animals.
Although I have heard some nasty reports about Flipper and some of his friends ganging up on a female. . .
Secular humanist atheists,, is there any moral or sexual perversion that they can’t justify ?
Apparently not.
Throughout history, raping women of YOUR OWN tribe was bad. Taking women of conquered tribes as sex slaves was good.
I'm sure that the women thus taken probably preferred being sex slaves to being killed like their men were.
Many thousands of German, Italian, and Japanese women married US soldiers after WW2 and came over as war brides.
By extension, if we are beasts who is to say public urination and defecation are wrong? Again, if we are beasts who is to say that using and abusing the bodies of toddlers is wrong?
But now, let us consider how much it disgusts cold-blooded Global psychopaths as they look down on unevolved human-apes behaving like filthy, rutting, predatory beasts. It is these filthy beasts they anticipate exterminating like roaches.
It is evolution that allows Global Transhumans to imagine they have evolved beyond mere humanity, meaning they have transcended humanity and are on the evolutionary glide-path to apotheosis.
It is also evolution that has brought about the fall of both Globalists and humans at our level so that now many of them behave like the beasts that disgust Global psychopaths.
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