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‘The Chosen’ Director Says Jesus Transfiguration Not Important: ‘What Purpose Would it Serve our Story?’
Protestia ^ | July 14, 2023 | staff

Posted on 07/14/2023 12:38:16 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: Republican Wildcat

Yeah, when I clicked it it was a link to a Facebook about Lazarus


41 posted on 07/14/2023 2:51:40 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: lilypad

I’ll get to it soon.
The very first episode just about
Put me on the floor...
But like this corrupt world satan has to taint everything.


42 posted on 07/14/2023 3:17:04 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: circlecity

Yes - exactly. You asked for the original source. I provided the original source. That is what the screen shot was of that you continued to question the authenticity of so the actual, original post was provided to you.

I’m not sure where you have basis to remain confused as to the authenticity of the screen shot. It is clearly genuine, as you have now have definitive proof of the same.


43 posted on 07/14/2023 3:20:28 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Morgana

So what could have been something wonderful, has been turned into just another project to make money and fame for themseves. Sad really.
I’ve been watching and enjoying the series so far. Beyond some creative license, it has been good.


44 posted on 07/14/2023 3:29:21 PM PDT by vpintheak (There is no Trans. There is only mentally ill)
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To: cowboyusa; teppe; wita
...Dallas Jenkins Says Mormons are Saved ...

Mormon leaders say:

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
-- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
-- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.   If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
-- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
-- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
-- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 

 
 
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion."

Brigham Young, October 9, 1859
Intelligence, Etc.
Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859.
Reported by G. D. Watt
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.282-91


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,    --JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8 p. 224


God is my “right hand man.”[8]

(Joseph Smith, in a letter to James Arlington Bennett on November 13, 1843, History of the Church, (Deseret Book, 1975), vol. 6, p. 78.)


"God made Aaron to be the mouth piece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don’t like it, you must lump it."

Joseph Smith at the LDS Conference on April 8, 1844, History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 319-320.


"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter- day Saints never ran away from me yet."

Joseph Smith, Sunday, May 26, 1844 History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-9.



 "We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.”

 Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48


“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”

Lorenzo Snow, Mormon Prophet and president


"The day will come—and it is not far distant, either—when the name of the Prophet Joseph Smith will be coupled with the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of God, as his representative, as his agent whom he chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God."[5]

Joseph F. Smith, sixth president of the LDS Church, Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [1939], p. 134; as quoted in “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” Ensign, (Dec. 2003): p. 17.


“Thus those who gain eternal life receive exaltation. . . They are gods.”

 (LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pg. 237).


“We stand in reverence before him [Joseph Smith]. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten in the celebration of Christmas. God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph”

(Gordon B. Hinckley, the fifteenth president of the LDS Church, Ensign article entitled “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” December 2003)


My brothers and sisters, in this bicentennial year of his birth, I should like to speak of our beloved Prophet Joseph Smith. . . . In the 135th section of the Doctrine and Covenants we read the words of John Taylor concerning the Prophet Joseph: “Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.” [D&C 135: 3]

(Thomas S. Monson, counselor to President Gordon B. Hinckley, the semi-annual LDS Conference in Salt Lake City, 2005)


45 posted on 07/14/2023 8:30:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Republican Wildcat
 
A little bit of Nephi 3?

Ok...


  The Book of Mormon tells us that...
Immediately upon the crucifixion of Jesus, tempests, earthquakes, fires, whirlwinds, and physical upheavals rage for three hours.

The city of Zarahemla was set on fire; the city of Moroni sunk into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants were drowned; the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah; and many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate; And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain.

The destruction was followed by darkness upon the face of the land and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people.

(3 Nephi 8).

Who caused this massive destruction and death? The survivors would immediately know the culprit in the form of a Voice .

The Voice chides America’ inhabitants proclaiming:

“Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, “

“And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth:

And building momentum, the Voice continues:

“Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem [the America city, not the one in Palestine, he left that one alone] and the inhabitants thereof.”
“And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth.”
“And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I caused to be burned with fire.”
“And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire”

(3 Nephi 9: 2-10)



After itemizing his destructions, the Voice tells the people the name of their Destroyer:

“Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God.”

Yes, that Jesus who only a short time earlier restored a severed ear, forgave the ignorant, the crucifers, and the non-believers - all of whom had witnessed or knew of his miracles while Jesus preached among them for some three years.

Jesus, the man who had spared those in Palestine who had personally rejected him, mocked him and crucified him, tells those in America: “‘So great faith have I never seen among all the Jews; wherefore I could not show unto them so great miracles, because of their unbelief.’”

(3 Nephi 19:35).



46 posted on 07/14/2023 8:39:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana
This is the 3rd post from this protestia group that I have read and each one seems typical of heresy hunters. Taking things out of context and attacking ministries for sometimes trivial items.

I looked carefully at the Facebook link, and it appears clearly to me his line on the Book of mormon was a joke. I seriously don't understand why Christians are so eager to attack The Chosen. Noah and Ridley's Scott's Exodus did not get attacked like this and they were horrible distortions from the truth.

The Chosen has never claimed to be a Scripture by Scripture retelling. But it has been far better than many films through the years on Jesus. If you want by the book, try Gospel of John - but even that will have moments that frustrate you, as nobody can do justice to what Jesus did on Earth.

Chosen is entertainment first, and an outreach to those not familiar with the Biblical story. There have been a few moments I cringed, and a few more that made me think. I wrote about the scene with the woman at the well that made me go back and study the story more carefully. And God revealed some things I never noticed before.

I'll shut up now. But let's try and be at peace with others instead of tearing them down. As Believers, we should have far more in common than differences. And judge the source as well. There are people that LOVE to sow division. Don't let them succeed. If you dislike the Chosen, that's fine. Nobody is going to grab you, torture you and throw you in the fire - those days are hopefully behind us.

I'm rooting for folks like Angel Studios, Pure Flix and GFA to not only survive, but thrive. We need quality entertainment, Christian, and even secular that is not obviously anti-Christian, as alternatives to the crap that's out there. If you don't like it, that's fine. But they are trying, and for that reason I will be supportive.

16 Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures. 2 Pe 3:16 AMP

Even the Apostles had disagreements. Some had more Revelation than others. Some were more legalistic than others. But somehow, we are to be at peace with each other.

40 And I implored Your disciples to drive it out, but they could not.
41 Jesus answered, O [faithless ones] unbelieving and without trust in God, a perverse (wayward, crooked and warped) generation! Until when and how long am I to be with you and bear with you? Bring your son here [to Me].
42 And even while he was coming, the demon threw him down and [completely] convulsed him. But Jesus censured and severely rebuked the unclean spirit and healed the child and restored him to his father.
43 And all were astounded at the evidence of God’s mighty power and His majesty and magnificence. But [while] they were all marveling at everything Jesus was doing, He said to His disciples,
44 Let these words sink into your ears: the Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men [whose conduct is opposed to God].
45 However, they did not comprehend this saying; and it was kept hidden from them, so that they should not grasp it and understand, and they were afraid to ask Him about the statement.
46 But a controversy arose among them as to which of them might be the greatest [surpassing the others in excellence, worth, and authority].
47 But Jesus, as He perceived the thoughts of their hearts, took a little child and put him at His side
48 And told them, Whoever receives and accepts and welcomes this child in My name and for My sake receives and accepts and welcomes Me; and whoever so receives Me so also receives Him Who sent Me. For he who is least and lowliest among you all—he is [the one who is truly] great.
49 John said, Master, we saw a man driving out demons in Your name and we commanded him to stop it, for he does not follow along with us.
50 But Jesus told him, Do not forbid [such people]; for whoever is not against you is for you.
Lk 9:40–50 AMP

Therefore I, a prisoner for serving the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God.
2 Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other’s faults because of your love.
3 Make every effort to keep yourselves united in the Spirit, binding yourselves together with peace.
4 For there is one body and one Spirit, just as you have been called to one glorious hope for the future.
5 There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all, who is over all, in all, and living through all.
Eph 4:1–6 NLT

You know its interesting that Saul thought he was doing God's work by rounding up and killing followers of Jesus. He was a Pharisee that studied under Gamaliel, and few understood Scripture more than he. And yet there he was on the way to Damascus when he MET JESUS. And what did Jesus say?

“Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?”
Ac 9:4 NLT

Jesus took the persecution of HIS BODY PERSONALLY. And His Body is made up of MANY parts, placed where it pleases the Father. We are not bricks - all identical. Nor are we fashioned stones to be similar. We are more like stones, a unique creation, given the Grace by God to do the things He has planned for us. And you know, those jobs will likely vary quite a bit from person to person. Remember that when you are TEMPTED to attack another. Pray about it first. Ask God if you've been called to be a heresy hunter.

See also Matt 18, Rom 16:17-20, 1 Cor 5 & 6, Gal 6, 1 Tim 3 - 6, Titus 3
47 posted on 07/14/2023 11:04:23 PM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Kandy Atz

Galatians 5:14-16

14 The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
15 But if you keep on biting and devouring one another, watch out, or you will be consumed by one another.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Berean Standard Bible


48 posted on 07/15/2023 3:44:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana

“Our” story?

OMG


49 posted on 07/15/2023 8:18:44 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (“There is no good government at all & none possible.”--Mark Twain)
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To: Elsie

Another good one. Thanks for the assist.


50 posted on 07/15/2023 8:42:24 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: lilypad

Not much discussion about THE CHOSEN
but I’ll keep digging Thanks!


51 posted on 07/15/2023 9:08:13 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I’m not yet convinced. You are. Drop it. It ends there.


52 posted on 07/15/2023 3:48:02 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: abigkahuna

if it gets any hokier it would be reminiscent of ed wood. IF he had stuck to pure Scripture and trusted God to do the work of Sanctifying the Souls of the audience he would have seen the Real Miracle of the power of God’s Word. looking more and more like the ed wood of the early sci-fy generation has taken over production.


53 posted on 07/15/2023 4:02:43 PM PDT by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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To: Morgana

It probably isn’t in the budget to do such a spectacular scene which would need elaborate f/x. But they won’t ever admit that.


54 posted on 07/15/2023 4:06:32 PM PDT by Trump_Triumphant ("Our hearts are restless, Oh Lord, until they rest in thee"- St. Augustine)
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To: circlecity
I’m not yet convinced. You are. Drop it. It ends there.

So you have been presented with absolute proof - beyond any doubt whatsoever - of its authenticity by being sent the actual link to the actual comments he himself made, not a screen shot - yet you still continue to claim it may not be authentic.

55 posted on 07/15/2023 5:14:02 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Kandy Atz

I am merely a lowly messenger.

(Or a talking ass like Balaam’s ride)


56 posted on 07/15/2023 7:47:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I haven’t claimed a thing other than that I don’t know one way or the other. Without more evidence that’s not going to change no matter how much you whine and pout about it.


57 posted on 07/16/2023 10:37:09 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: cowboyusa

This man is obviously not a believer.

Which is shocking, given that he’s the son of Jerry Jenkins. I had no idea until about 10 days ago.

To not recognize the Mount of Transfiguration as one of the most amazing, awe-inspiring events of the Gospels is stunningly-blind.


58 posted on 07/26/2023 2:44:31 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Morgana

???? He is out of his mind


59 posted on 07/26/2023 4:18:04 AM PDT by ZULU (HOOVER, FREEH, MUELLER, COMEY, WRAY, SUCCESSION OF STATISTS)
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To: MNDude

[There is a trend if not a deliberate effort to remove any divinity from Christ.]

You are correct. It is a subtle anti-christ agenda. (perhaps not as obviously as it should be)


60 posted on 02/04/2024 10:34:31 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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