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‘The Chosen’ Director Says Jesus Transfiguration Not Important: ‘What Purpose Would it Serve our Story?’
Protestia ^ | July 14, 2023 | staff

Posted on 07/14/2023 12:38:16 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: wita
Your opinion, not fact. Trust not in the arm of flesh.

Sorry, but even this non-Mormon knows where JS fits in the pathway to heaven - according to authentic Mormon sources:

 

 
"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
-- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
-- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.   If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
-- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
-- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
-- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 

 
 
"No man or woman in this dispensation will ever enter into the celestial kingdom of God without the consent of Joseph Smith. From the day that the Priesthood was taken from the earth to the winding-up scene of all things, every man and woman must have the certificate of Joseph Smith, junior, as a passport to their entrance into the mansion where God and Christ are—I with you and you with me. I cannot go there without his consent. He holds the keys of that kingdom for the last dispensation—the keys to rule in the spirit-world; and he rules there triumphantly, for he gained full power and a glorious victory over the power of Satan while he was yet in the flesh, and was a martyr to his religion."

Brigham Young, October 9, 1859
Intelligence, Etc.
Remarks by President BRIGHAM YOUNG, delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, October 9, 1859.
Reported by G. D. Watt
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 7, p.282-91


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
Brigham Young,    --JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8 p. 224


God is my “right hand man.”[8]

(Joseph Smith, in a letter to James Arlington Bennett on November 13, 1843, History of the Church, (Deseret Book, 1975), vol. 6, p. 78.)


"God made Aaron to be the mouth piece for the children of Israel, and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don’t like it, you must lump it."

Joseph Smith at the LDS Conference on April 8, 1844, History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 319-320.


"God is in the still small voice. In all these affidavits, indictments, it is all of the devil—all corruption. Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter- day Saints never ran away from me yet."

Joseph Smith, Sunday, May 26, 1844 History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408-9.



 "We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.”

 Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48


“As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become.”

Lorenzo Snow, Mormon Prophet and president


"The day will come—and it is not far distant, either—when the name of the Prophet Joseph Smith will be coupled with the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of God, as his representative, as his agent whom he chose, ordained and set apart to lay anew the foundations of the Church of God in the world, which is indeed the Church of Jesus Christ, possessing all the powers of the gospel, all the rites and privileges, the authority of the Holy Priesthood, and every principle necessary to fit and qualify both the living and the dead to inherit eternal life, and to attain to exaltation in the kingdom of God."[5]

Joseph F. Smith, sixth president of the LDS Church, Gospel Doctrine, 5th ed. [1939], p. 134; as quoted in “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” Ensign, (Dec. 2003): p. 17.


“Thus those who gain eternal life receive exaltation. . . They are gods.”

 (LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pg. 237).


“We stand in reverence before him [Joseph Smith]. He is the great prophet of this dispensation. He stands at the head of this great and mighty work which is spreading across the earth. He is our prophet, our revelator, our seer, our friend. Let us not forget him. Let not his memory be forgotten in the celebration of Christmas. God be thanked for the Prophet Joseph”

(Gordon B. Hinckley, the fifteenth president of the LDS Church, Ensign article entitled “Joseph Smith: Restorer of Truth,” December 2003)


My brothers and sisters, in this bicentennial year of his birth, I should like to speak of our beloved Prophet Joseph Smith. . . . In the 135th section of the Doctrine and Covenants we read the words of John Taylor concerning the Prophet Joseph: “Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.” [D&C 135: 3]

(Thomas S. Monson, counselor to President Gordon B. Hinckley, the semi-annual LDS Conference in Salt Lake City, 2005)


 

 


181 posted on 02/28/2024 4:31:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita
you are a clearing house for all of the noted collectors of anti-Mormon thought

Dang!

And all this time I thought I was using SLC approved material!


"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."

--Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses", reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881  in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.
 


 Seems strange to me; that if the words were correct when first translated; there would be no need for 'corrections' to the published text later on.
 
How would a historian know WHICH version is REALLY 'correct'; since there is no evidence, whatsoever, of the original plates/carators that is not disputed by Mormon authorities?
 
It would have been an easy task to merely make a rubbing of the impressed Reformed Egyptian pictograms.
 
Image result for hieroglyphic rubbing    Image result for detective pencil trick

182 posted on 02/28/2024 4:37:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita


Joseph knew from the very beginning during the first vision the relationship between the Father and the Son. The Father’s statement, “this is my beloved Son, hear him” was explanation enough.

 

Kinda makes ME wonder why there are so many VERSIONS of the 'first' vision...

  
Version Number
When Published
Brief Description
Age/YearEvil PowerPillar of
Light or Fire
Number of
Personages
FatherSonQuestion:
Join What
Sect
Source
Official Version,
 Mormon scripture,
 Pearl of Great Price
p. 47, 48, 1974 Ed.
Age 14

1820

YesYes

Light

2YesYesJoin NoneLucy, Hyrum, Samuel, Sopronia
Join Presbyterian Church 1820
Paper by Joseph Smith,
Times and Seasons
March, April 1842
Same as item 1 above
Letter from Joseph Smith
to John Wentworth,
 editor Chicago Democrat
1841 account
Published March 1,1842
None givenNoNo2??No question,
told all
incorrect
Joseph Smith's First Vision
by Milton V. Backman Jr.
Bookcraft, Appendix D.
Ensign, Jan.1985, p. 16
Both looked the Same
They spoke
Dictated by Joseph Smith,
in hand of
 James Mulholland, 1838
Same as item 1 above, first known account of the official version.
Ensign,
 Jan. 1985 p. 14
Joseph Smith's diary of 1835, Recorded by
 Warren Cowdery
 Nov. 9, 1835, conversation of Joseph Smith with Joshua
Joseph, about 14No
Tongue seemed swollen; heard someone; at first couldn't pray
Yes

Fire

One, and then another like unto the first??No question, told sins are forgiven, Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Joseph Smith's First Vision
 by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix B
Second spoke.
Saw many angels
Messenger & Advocate
by Oliver Cowdery supervised by
 Joseph Smith
 Feb. 1835
 p. 77-79;
 Also see Dec. 1834 p. 43
Joseph 17

1823

NoYes1
NoNoNo question told sin are forgivenNote on pg. 78 that the revival was in 1823 (NOT 1820) so this must be the First Vision.
Messenger from God
Dictated by Joseph Smith
 to F. G. Williams Summer to Nov. 1832
Joseph 14 or 16NoYes1NoYesNo question, told "None doeth good", sins forgiven
Joseph Smith's First Vision
 by Milton V. Backman Jr. Bookcraft, Appendix A
Saw Lord (Jesus) he "spoke"
Written by Joseph Smith, 1832 diaryJoseph 15NoYes1NoYesNo question, told sins forgiven all do no good
Ensign,
 Dec. 1984 pgs. 24-26
 Jan. 1985 pg. 11
Saw the Lord Jesus Christ (said He was crucified)
Early Church leaders
 B. Young,
 G. A. Smith,
 J. Taylor
Joseph 15NoNo1NoNoJoin NoneJournal of Discourses, 2:171; 18:239; 13:77,78; 20:167; 12:333,334
Saw an angel, and asked the angel

  


 


183 posted on 02/28/2024 4:41:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita


 

  
God is not a God of confusion.

I see...


Doctrine and Covenants 131:7

"There is no such thing as immaterial matter.
All spirit is matter, but it is more fine or pure …
  


 


184 posted on 02/28/2024 4:48:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: wita


 

Joseph Smith learned about STEEL while 'translating' the Book of Mormon.

Steel is mentioned five times in the Book of Mormon:  Ether 7.9,  Jarom 1.8,  1 Nephi 4.9, 1  Nephi 16.18,  2 Nephi 5.15
 
 
 
In the early 1850s, the American inventor William Kelly experimented with a method similar to the Bessemer process.
Wagner writes that Kelly may have been inspired by techniques introduced by Chinese ironworkers hired by Kelly in 1854.[4]    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessemer_process#The_Bessemer_Process_in_the_United_States

Metallurgy in pre-Columbian America - Wikipedia


185 posted on 02/28/2024 5:00:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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