The Rosary For Protestants

GabiAfterHours Youtube Channel ^ | Oct 7, 2019 | GabiAfterHours

[nralife]

In this video we discuss why all Christians should pray the Rosary.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

If I said something not true, simply show me in Scripture, or in any Christian writings before 100ad during the life of the apostles.

Do not include sources that were altered in later centuries to conform to the added pagan beliefs.

If you can’t do this, and you cannot, it was added from paganism later.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> Why wouldn’t this same Jewish woman be willing to help you or me?

Start by pointing to the scripture that says Mary can hear prayer.

Then demonstrate from scripture why you believe Mary has emotional leverage over God to persuade Him to do her bidding.

Then explain why you ignore the clear commands to enter boldly into the presence of the Father and ask anything in Christ’s Name - instead trying to skulk in the back door and manipulate God?

[Angelino97]

Here's one argument I heard for Mary's ability to intercede:

Typologically, the ancient Davidic kingdom prefigures -- is a model for -- Christ's Kingdom in Heaven (the New Jerusalem).

It was customary in ancient Semitic kingdoms for people to ask the Queen Mother (mother of the king) to intercede for them, as she often had much influence over her son.

In the New Jerusalem, Mary is this Queen Mother.

[higgmeister]

I worked in a Catholic Boys Home.    I'll never forget Father Maloney coming to the door to follow up on my job inquiry.   It was the first time I had ever seen a Priest.   I told him I was not Catholic and he effectively said nobody's perfect.

As their consular, I had to help the boys learn their Our Fathers and Hail Marys.   I could say a Hail Mary right now but I don't.    I don't need to watch the video.

[higgmeister]

The words of the "Hail Mary" are based on the angel's greeting to Mary, as recorded in the Gospel of Luke. The angel was conveying God's message to Mary.

So Catholics are only affirming what God said.

The Angels didn't ask Holy Mary to pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

[Tell It Right]

From Texas Guy: No, it’s not howdy. You don’t hail your average person, much less announce that they are “full of grace”. That whole sentence is full of profound meaning. That is why she is amazed and not terrified like everyone else who is greeting by an angel.

Okay. Let's go back to Scripture. And, full disclosure, I erred when I said it was from Luke 1:26. It's Luke 1:28. Here we go.

Go to biblestudytools.com to help with the original language: https://www.biblestudytools.com/kjv/luke/1-28.html. Notice I have it set to look at KJV because there are tons of reference tools from that translation. When you pull up that Bible verse, if a lot of the words don't have links in them, click on the Settings gear and turn on the Strongs numbers. That'll make many of the words appear as links (which corresponds to the English words that have corresponding Greek words). The English words without links weren't in the Greek manuscripts, they were added later to make the English more readable. (In other words, it's probably best not to infer doctrine or theology from English words not based on Greek from the Scripture manuscripts.) https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/chairo.html to describe the Greek word "chairo". Which it describes as:
to rejoice, be glad
to rejoice exceedingly
to be well, thrive
in salutations, hail!
at the beginning of letters: to give one greeting, salute

That doesn't sound like venerations to me. That sounds mainly like "greetings" or "howdy", not "majesty" or anything like that.

[MurphsLaw]

Remember the decrees and sovereignty and omnipotence of God

No worries there - I absolutely believe in his Omnipotence.

That's why in HIS choosing of Mary, IS SO very special,
Because Christ was so necessary for us.
Can't you see that?

I think it is you who ought to remember
how omnipotent God's decisions are for us.

[higgmeister]

Which is better? Asking the Mother of God to pray for you? Or asking your next door neighbor?

Mary is incommunicado with us in Heaven.   Your belief that the Holy Mother Mary can intercede with our Savior Jesus from Heaven is not in Scripture and is irrelevant in any case because we pray directly to God in Christ's name with no need for a intermediary.

This isn't rocket science.   The Rosary is a holdover from centuries ago when parishioners could not read and every Priest was the self imposed intermediary to God.

That is one of the things that Protestants protested.   You need to stop trying to gaslight faith.

[MurphsLaw]

Cultists Always Add Something.

Like the Cross?
Yeah, we did that too.

Or do you take issue with the Cross in or on Churches?
Or a Cross worn around someone's neck?
Or even blessing oneself with the Sign of the Cross?
Jesus never said to do any of that either.
The Bible- never says to venerate the Cross. But we do.

Would you not say then those are personal,
but acceptable, choices for Christians?
Albeit being "added"?

[higgmeister]

The founder of your church and the Protestant Rebellion said this. Will you denounce him?

Surely you don't think there is only one Grand Global Protestant Church that developed from Martin Luther?   Hint: It didn't.

[ealgeone]

Why does Gabriel tell her not to be afraid?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Mary was chosen to bear Messiah. She did. She was never the focus, but the fulfillment of Prophetic Scripture. Christ was, is, and will always be the focus. The glory of God is the focus. Never Mary. She was a tool - "blessed among women"- not above women.

[ealgeone]

A cross is not needed in a church. IMHO a cross is there to identify the church as Christian. People need not “cross” themselves. It serves no purpose. All those could end tomorrow and Christianity doesn’t miss a beat.

[M Kehoe]

Good afternoon.

Methinks this thread will have 200 posts.

5.56mm

[aMorePerfectUnion]

First this is the worst kind of eisegesis (A subjective method of interpretation by introducing one’s own opinions into the original)

Second Mary is no queen.

This leaves you having to twist scripture into a pretzel to get it to support what you’ve already decided.

[SheepWhisperer]

Dead in Christ are “still dead Jim”.

Christ lives!

[SauronOfMordor]

“Mary is dead. She doesn’t need our prayers.”

She is in heaven with her Son. The point of asking Mary to intercede for us is the assumption that Jesus may be swayed by His mother’s request, as He was at the wedding feast where he performed His first miracle.

[MurphsLaw]

Have you prayed to Moses Lately? John the Baptist? Paul the Apostle? Elijah? King David?

At the end of most Catholic Masses,
We ask for the intercession of St. Michael the Archangel
to guide and protect us in our earthly battle.
During EVERY Mass we say the Our Father prayer- and recite The Nicene Creed too. Every time
And we have the Prayer intentions before Offertory-
Where we are praying for lots of things...
in the Eucharistic Prayer- we venerate, especially the glorious ever-Virgin Mary, Mother of our God and Lord, Jesus Christ, and blessed Joseph, her Spouse, your blessed Apostles and Martyrs, Peter and Paul, Andrew, (James, John, Thomas, James, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Simon and Jude: Linus, Cletus, Clement, Sixtus, Cornelius, Cyprian, Lawrence, Chrysogonus, John and Paul, Cosmas and Damian)
and all your Saints:
we ask that through their merits and prayers, in all things we may be defended by your protecting help. (Through Christ our Lord. Amen.)

So you'd be surprised- but we are Praying ALL the time...
The Mass itself is a Prayer to God- and a Thanksgiving of his Grace.

So yeah... we're a prayerful people...
and Moses and Elijah
might be the only folks we don't ask intercession of.
🙂

[Angelino97]

Why does Gabriel tell her not to be afraid?

Because angels are not soft, fluffy, cherubic beings. They are good and righteous, but for us mortals, they are fearsome to behold.

[ealgeone]

Which contradicts a claim made by one of your fellow RCs that Mary wasn’t afraid.