The Rosary For Protestants

GabiAfterHours Youtube Channel ^ | Oct 7, 2019 | GabiAfterHours

[nralife]

In this video we discuss why all Christians should pray the Rosary.

[daniel1212]

One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, even with adulation, attributes, glory and titles never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers addressed to them, and beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them. Which would constitute worship in Scripture, yet Catholics imagine by playing word games they avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

Instead they should do what Mary and every believer in every prayer to Heaven did (and I should do more of), which was to pray directly to the Lord, not secretaries. But they must truly become born again for that.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

Instead Caths basically say,

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes... (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

ven but the Lord (crying "Abba, Father," Gal. 4:6; not "Mama, Mother"), nor in instructions on who to pray to ("our Father who art in Heaven," not "our Mother").

Note that many Catholic Marian attributions much parallel even that of Christ:

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,

• As the the Son of God has a unique unique relationship with the Persons of the Trinity, so also Mary is said to have a unique relationship with all three Persons of the Trinity;

• As Christ is the express image of God, and highly exalted above all under the Father, having the primary position among all creation, so Mary is declared to be the greatest saint of all, and the first of all creatures, and as having a certain affinity with the Father, with a pre-eminent resemblance which she bears to the Father;

• As Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which naturally infers the same, and is not the language of Scripture, which even clarifies Israel birthed Christ "according to the flesh, God blessed for ever": Rm. 9:4,5);

• As the the Son of God supernaturally, spiritually makes believing souls into children of God, Mary is said to be the mother of Christians in "supernatural and spiritual generation."

• As Christ was sinless, so Mary was;

• As the Lord remained a virgin, so also Mary;

• As the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was;

• As the Holy Spirit directs believers to be "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith," (Hebrews 12:2) in whom believes are accounted a holy nation, (1 Pt. 2:9) so Catholicism teaches that believers are to "turn their eyes to Mary" in whom "the Church is already the 'all-holy." (CCC 829)

• As the Father made Christ Lord over all things, so Mary is said to be enthroned above all creation (all other believers have to wait for their crowns) and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things;

• As Christ is given all power in heaven and in earth, so Mary is “surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.”

• As Christ is given all power on Heaven and on earth, so Mary is said to have (showing some restraint) “almost unlimited power;” and showing less restraint, to be "omnipotent" (by grace);

• As God the Father made His Divine Son functionally the Lord over the universe, so Mary states, "I command what I will, and introduce whom I will."

• As no man comes to the Father but through the Son, so it is taught that no one can come to the Son except through Mary in Heaven;

• As no one can obtain mercy, be saved/redeemed or be delivered and know the Father but through the Son, so the same is said of Mary;

• As those whom God has chosen will come to Him, so it is said that if Mary wills our salvation, and then we are sure to obtain it.

• As the emphasis is upon Christ as the Creator through whom God (the Father) made all things, including Mary, so it is emphasized that uniquely “to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood,” shed for the salvation of mankind, (the logic behind which can lead back to Eve);

• As Scripture declares that Christ suffered for our sins, so Mary is said to have done so also, even all the consequences of sin;

• As Christ redeemed mankind (as many as truly believe) with the Father and the Spirit, so it is said of Mary that "we might rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."

• As Christ saves us from the condemnation and death resulting from the fault of Adam, so it is taught that man was condemned through the fault of Eve, the root of death, but that we are saved through the merits of Mary; who was the source of life for everyone.

• As all things come from the Father through the Son, so Mary is made to be the dispenser of all grace; that "through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation."

• As believers have confidence through Christ, so Mary is extolled as being the foundation of all the believer's confidence.

• As the Lord wills all souls to be saved through Christ, so it is said that it is God's will that we obtain everything through Mary.

• And as the Lord called souls to come to Him to be given life and salvation, so (in misappropriation of the words of Scripture) it is said of Mary, “He that shall find me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord;” “that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.”

• As Christ is the King of the saints and over all kings, (Rv. 15:3; 17:14; 19:16) so Mary is made Queen of Heaven and the greatest saint, and that “Next to God, she deserves the highest praise;”

• As Christ ever liveth to make intercession for the saints, so is Mary said to be in constant intercession;

• as only to God is ascribed the power and privilege of hearing prayer from all flesh, so also is Mary extolled as doing so;

• as believers only address God/Christ in prayer to Heaven, including in prostration before Him, so also do Catholics pray to Mary;

• as believers only pray to God to have mercy on sinners, so Catholics beseech Mary to do so.

• As Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His "real" flesh and blood to be eaten, so it is emphasized that Mary gave Him this, being fashioned out of Mary's pure blood and even being “kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk,” so that she can say, "Come and eat my bread, drink the wine I have prepared" (Prov. 9:5);

• And as Christ is given many titles of honor, so Mary also is, except that she is honored by Catholics with more titles than they give to the Lord Himself!

[metmom]

Mary is dead. She doesn’t need our prayers.

And can’t answer them either.

[Angelino97]

Matthew Chapter 13 Verses 55 & 56 list Jesus having four Brothers and Sisters (plural).

It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. This in contradiction to scripture.

As you should know, the word used to describe Jesus's "brothers" can also mean "cousins." So it's not clear that He did have brothers.

[metmom]

Only Jesus, the firstborn, was born of the virgin Mary who conceived Jesus via the Holy Ghost. Jesus had many brothers and sisters all of which were born after Him to Mary that were conceived by Joseph’s seed.

Exactly.

There’s a big difference between *firstborn* and *only* son.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> I can think of only one reason. You don’t know the Father

Yes

[high info voter]

Totally don't understand that when Jesus our God suffered and died in so much agony for all of our sins as the "ONLY way to come to the Father" that people would actually worship his Mom???? And build idols of her and set them in bathtubs in their backyards.

That so much goes AGAINST the Word of God! ...imho

[Mr Rogers]

You didn’t see the verse in Acts where Peter stood up and prayed, “Father Abraham and Mary, Mother of God, put in a good word for us! Use your influence to gain us God’s blessing...”

Yeah. Me neither!

[ealgeone]

Context and usage of the term will make it clear.

[Mr Rogers]

“When we come to the New Testament, where the reference to the brothers of Jesus occurs, Von Soden correctly listed only two possible meanings for adelphos, namely, “either ‘physical brotherhood’ in the strict sense or more generally the ‘spiritual brotherhood’ of Israelites or Christians” (Kittel, 1964, 1:144).

A broadened meaning for adelphos (to refer to a cousin) does not exist in the New Testament. As Walther Gunther clarified: “In no case in the New Testament can adelphos be interpreted with certainty in this sense” (Brown, 1975, 1:256). That’s putting it mildly.

McClintock and Strong explained: “[W]hen the word is used in any but its proper sense, the context prevents the possibility of confusion…. If, then, the word ‘brethren’…really means ‘cousins’ or ‘kinsmen,’ it will be the only instance of such an application in which no data are given to correct the laxity of meaning” (1968, 895, emp. in orig.).

Lewis stated even more decisively: “ ‘Brothers’ (adelphoi) never means ‘cousins’ in New Testament Greek” (1976, 1:181, emp. added).

Indeed, the Greek language had a separate and distinct word for “cousins”—anepsioi (e.g., Colossians 4:10). When a nephew was meant, the relationship was clearly specified (e.g., Acts 23:16).

To summarize: “There is therefore no adequate warrant in the language alone to take ‘brethren’ as meaning ‘relatives,’ and therefore the a priori presumption is in favor of a literal acceptation of the term” (McClintock and Strong, 1:895).”

https://apologeticspress.org/did-jesus-have-fleshly-half-brothers-1271/

[PeterPrinciple]

Which is better? Asking the Mother of God to pray for you? Or asking your next door neighbor?

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false choice for one, Jesus said pray like this. “Our Father............”

Choices choices.

Again, There is only one reason I can think of for not praying to the Father.

Do you agree that is the MUCH BETTER CHOICE?

[ealgeone]

There is a Greek word for cousins. It is used once but never describing the brothers and sisters of Jesus.

[Big Red Badger]

‘ALMOST DEIFY MARY’ that’s putting it lightly.
It’s the magic cookies that
Damn them to hell.

[nralife]

“The word “first-born” (Greek word “prototokos”) signifies priority. In the culture of the Bible times, the first-born was not necessarily the oldest child. First-born referred not to birth order but to rank. The first-born possessed the inheritance and leadership.”

Non-Catholic source:

https://ccslancers.com/blog/2015/10/19/jesus-the-firstborn/#:~:text=The%20word%20“first%2Dborn”,possessed%20the%20inheritance%20and%20leadership.

[Tell It Right]

As a Protestant here, respectfully, is my take with praying the rosary:

1. Proclaiming the prayer in the name of the Trinity. Cool beans.

2. Apostles Creed. Love it. Particularly with the word "catholic" in the original Latin meaning world-wide church (as opposed to a local church like the Church in Sardis, etc.). Extend that to today, it's a reminder that God's church is not just the local church I attend and serve at.

3. Acts of Contrition. Love it. We all should pray humbly and ask forgiveness.

4. Lord's prayer. Love it. Not only does it make sense. Most importantly Jesus Himself said to pray it. However I suggest reading Luke 11:1-13 and don't stop where we normally do (verse 4), but keep praying the rest of what He said to pray for: the Holy Spirit (verses 11-13). And specifically, pray repeatedly (verses 5-10) for the Holy Spirit (verses 11-13). 5. Hail Mary. Nope. Us Protestants, IMHO, are doing a better job than we used to of respecting Mary as one of our Bible heroes. But hailing her or anybody else besides the Trinity? Nope.

7. Glory be to the parts of the Trinity. Good stuff!

8. The praise to God for the various steps in Jesus' coming, living, serving, dying for our sins, and raising from the dead. Totally awesome dude!

9. Hail again to Mary, with a whole paragraph of praying to her? Nope. Nope. Nope. Calling her "Mother" with capital "M"? Nope. Nope. Nope. Begging for mercy from her? Nope. Nope. Nope.

So it looks to me like Mary herself gets about 1/4th of the prayer time. Almost like she's part of the Trinity. I'm surprised they're not called the Quadrity. Nope. Nope. Nope.

[Angelino97]

1. You're also positing a false choice: Pray to the Father or to Mary.

I pray to BOTH.

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2. If praying to the Father is always the only choice, why do Protestants request intercessionary prayer from mortals?

And if Protestants request intercessionary prayer from mortals, why not also request it from the Mother of God?

[Angelino97]

I can think of only one reason. You don’t know the Father

Are you saying you don't pray to Jesus? Or to the Holy Spirit? You pray ONLY to the Father?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Are you saying you don't pray to Jesus? Or to the Holy Spirit? You pray ONLY to the Father?

I'm saying pray to God alone. He is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

He isn't Mary, or other departed believers.
He isn't idols.
He isn't an angel.

If someone is praying to Anyone other than God, he likely doesn't know the Father.

[Captain Walker]

Believers should pray to God alone.

Because everyone knows that if I am applying for a job at a firm where you have been working for the last thirty years and where you have an excellent relationship with the CEO, I would never ask you to hand him my résumé and put in a good word for me. Everyone knows that such practices are stupid and never benefit the job-seeker.

That's the problem with Protestant heaven; they didn't just throw Lucifer out, they threw Captain Obvious out with him.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

And if Protestants request intercessionary prayer from mortals, why not also request it from the Mother of God?

Good question.

Scripture never encourages prayer to Mary, never commands it, never see an Apostle do it, no first century church did it, and nothing in Scripture says she can hear your prayer, nor has power to answer them.

When we do this, we are not obeying God and not following the pattern of Scripture.

In short, it is made up of pagan cloth.

Your mortal earth-based friends can hear you and can pray for you, we are encouraged to share our need and pray for one another in the church.

When we do this, we are obeying God and following the pattern of Scripture for a believer.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Because everyone knows that if I am applying for a job at a firm where you have been working for the last thirty years and where you have an excellent relationship with the CEO, I would never ask you to hand him my résumé and put in a good word for me. Everyone knows that such practices are stupid and never benefit the job-seeker.

Now use Scripture, because that was all made up silliness!