Posted on 06/14/2023 10:48:04 AM PDT by vespa300
Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Roman catholic church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.
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Yes, Paul kept the Sabbath, but Acts 20:7 points toward the Sabbath being the first day of the week.
Hey, I'm an OG 7th day believer. It only became fashionable to ignore God's holy days after 300 AD or so...when anti-semitism and anything that looked too Jewish was frowned upon.
How about Brotherhood rather
Than Division?
.
You’ve started by Proclaim
Self Righteousness.
I haven’t seen a cat fight like this since the days of the Mormon wars and Campbellite wars here on FR!
>>>Jesus came to Fulfill the
Law and Prophets!>>>
Yeah, not to destroy the law. And it’s not about the law, it’s about the Sabbath. Let’s not kid ourselves. Unless I can steal your car and tha’ts ok. It’s not about the law....it’s the Sabbath you hate. Thanks.
Vespa started It!
I’m telling PaPa !
It’s the first time I’ve ever heard of Catholics not viewing Sunday as the day of rest, as well as the weekly celebration of Jesus’ resurrection. Are they observing the Jewish Sabbath then, including the end of a day as being at sundown? None of my Catholic relatives, including my former-Catholic father, ever mentioned Saturday as their day of rest.
No, it doesn't. Paul was accused of many things by the Judiazers but he was NEVER accused of breaking God's sabbaths.
Act_24:14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.
Was Paul lying (violating a commandment) when he said that he wasn't violating the 4th commandment which is in the law and the prophets?
>>>I haven’t seen a cat fight like this since the days of the Mormon wars and Campbellite wars here on FR!>>>
You know what’s funny or not so funny. Like the scene in Vacation where the guy wants to sell Clark Griswold that ugly station wagon. “You think you hate it now, wait till you drive it.”
Sabbath is huge in end time prophecy. Sunday is her Mark of authority and she hates the Sabbath because it exposes her. So to people who hate the Sabbath.......”You think you hate the Sabbath now...wait till the real fireworks start and everyone is marveling after her again....her wound has healed, just as prophecy said it would. Sunday’s coming....:)
I think this thread is a good Joke !!!
LOL!
I can easily imagine the Good Lord in Heaven laughing at this whole conversation.
👍
All my local Catholic churches meet on Sunday and always have. This is a silly thing to fight over.
We can discuss the first day of the week according to the Gregorian calendar and how Mosaic Law established the Sabbath and how Jesus fulfilled the law and is the Word of God.
If Yeshua meant that His being the fulfillment of the law meant there was new Sabbath, He would not have practiced the same 7th day Sabbath as the Jews. Fulfilling the law did not change it.
MT 28:1-10 describes Christ Resurrection. It reads very clearly after the sabbath (7th day) toward the dawn of the first day of the week (1st day of the new Sabbath week) which is Sunday, Mary Magadelene, the other Mary, etc went to the Tomb and Christ was resurrected.
In Luke’s Gospel, Chapter 24, verse 1 we read the same thing, but on the first day of the week.. Later in Luke 24:35 we see Jesus made himself known in the breaking of the bread. That was later on the first day of the week (Sunday).
Breaking of the bread has sacred service that is Rite and Liturgical and is owed to God alone (Latreuo per MT 4:10) and is a eucharistic real presence doctrine in the text.
The early Church followed Christ revealing himself in the breaking of the bread to the 2 disciples and that model followed. Acts 2:42; Acts 20:7, Rev 1:10). Christ was given “Latreuo”, true worship due him alone on the first day of the week, and that involved the breaking of the bread (eucharist).
Actually Vespa
I’m more Messianic Jew than anything
Else.
Problems with that?
>>>It’s the first time I’ve ever heard of Catholics not viewing Sunday as the day of rest, as well as the weekly celebration of Jesus’ resurrection. Are they observing the Jewish Sabbath then, including the end of a day as being at sundown? None of my Catholic relatives, including my former-Catholic father, ever mentioned Saturday as their day of rest.>>>>
If you look at the Catechism, their authority, you will note they moved the Sabbath from the 4th commandment, to the 3rd. And they have always said they claim the “authority” to change it from the 7th day to the first day. In fact, in some writings, she claims this change is in fact.......the “Mark” of her authority......who else would? She says.
Now the Catechism provides not scripture for this change other than to say, it’s in honor of the resurrection. But no scripture...just a reason.
The Protestant says......”show me the text.” I don’t care about tradition or church authority or your claim.
Now, in his book on this by Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi who got his doctorate on the change of the Sabbath and from the Vatican University, Gregorian......he notes that Rome may be changing this and is perhaps attempting to use scripture to justify this change.....but this is new. She has never used scripture before and it’s clear if you read rome’s challenge . Which is brilliant theology.
Ignore all the 8th day and new covenant and fulfilled the law nonsense. Those are amateur theologians who are in a real pickle so they twist and turn and invent. They dont’ even know the difference between ceremonial sabbaths that Moses had in a book...versus the Edenic Sabbath that God wrote with his own finger in stone and that John saw in Revelation.......”The tabernacle of the Testimony”
“This is the New Covenant St Paul constantly talked about.”
Not true as far as the Sabbath goes. In all Paul’s testimony on the New Covenant and all Lukes recording of Pual’s acitivites in Acts, nowhere does Paul honor (practice) or promote a different Sabbath than the 7th day Sabbath. The change to Sunday did not accur until centuries after Paul.
I’m not getting involved in ecclesiastical matters.................
Who hates the Sabbath, be it observed on Saturday or Sunday?
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