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[Catholic Caucus] Humanae Vitae: have the first shots been fired in a coming war?
The Catholic Herald ^ | May 21, 2023 | Diane Montagna

Posted on 05/22/2023 11:21:50 AM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] Humanae Vitae: have the first shots been fired in a coming war?

Italy’s current birthrate is 392,598 newborns per year, a staggering 30 percent drop since 2008, unsustainably low for any country. To avert catastrophe Italy must reach 500,000 newborns annually by 2033.

Ever since his “Catholics shouldn’t breed like rabbits” comment in 2015, Pope Francis has not been popularly perceived as a person sympathetic to pro-natalist policies and attitudes. But in fact, for the second year in a row, he has spoken at the “General State of the Birthrate” conference in Rome. Even more strikingly, this year he shared the stage with Giorgia Meloni, prime minister of an Italian right-wing government of precisely the sort of which globalists generally disapprove.

In her address, Meloni proposed the same pro-life, pro-family policies adopted by Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, which have reduced abortion and divorce while boosting birth and marriage rates.

Meloni insisted that it is time to improve the birthrate but said it must be done without resorting to surrogacy. “We want a nation where it is no longer scandalous to say that — whatever the legitimate, free choices, inclinations of each person — we are all born of a man or a woman,” Meloni said to applause. “Where it is not taboo to say that motherhood is not for sale, that wombs are not for rent and children are not over-the-counter products that you can choose on the shelf as if you were in the supermarket and maybe return if then the product does not match what you expect.”

In more subdued comments, Pope Francis urged concrete action to reverse the demographic winter. Scolding women who have pets instead of children, he also called for greater assistance for couples to have more children, saying it was necessary to “plant the future” with hope. “Let us not resign ourselves to sterile dullness and pessimism,” Francis told participants. “Let us not believe that history is already marked, that nothing can be done to reverse the trend.”

All this comes at a time when concern has arisen over a book published in June 2022 by the president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, Archbishop Vincenzo Paglia, entitled Etica Teologica della Vita, which suggests that the teaching on contraception and marital chastity in Paul VI’s encyclical Humanae Vitae can be changed.

In the volume, which compiles the proceedings of an Academy seminar encouraged by Pope Francis, Archbishop Paglia speaks of contraception as a possible morally licit choice, writing: “The wise choice [with regard to contraception] will be realized by appropriately evaluating all possible techniques with reference to their specific situation and obviously excluding abortifacient ones.”

Sources say a document is also being prepared for Pope Francis under Paglia’s supervision that would lay the groundwork for the overturning of Humanae Vitae.

Dr John Haas, president emeritus and senior fellow at the US-based National Catholic Bioethics Center, told the Catholic Herald “The fact is that the teaching contained in Humanae Vitae is that of the entire moral tradition of the Church and cannot be changed.”

In response to the volume, a major international conference entitled “Humanae Vitae: the audacity of an encyclical on sexuality and procreation,” was held on May 19-20 at the Augustinianum in Rome to defend the teachings found in Humanae Vitae. This encyclical, Dr Haas observed, contains truths which can be understood by anyone with the use of reason.”

Speakers included an international panel of experts, including Cardinal Luis Ladaria, SJ, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, Archbishop of Bologna and President of the Italian Bishops’ Conference, will deliver introductory remarks.

In his talk Dr Haas sought to show the inextricable link between contraception and abortion. “As St John Paul II said, ‘they are fruit of the same tree,’” he explained. “I use the Anglican example as a cautionary tale for the Church. You embrace contraception and abortion is sure to follow. Archbishop Paglia already rejects the reality of intrinsically evil acts when he suggests that we can legitimately choose contraception. There is no longer a reason to reject abortion. It all depends on places, times, circumstances, personal history, etc, as to what act one chooses.”

“At a time when the Church’s teaching on marital chastity is incessantly attacked by secular powers and institutions, we cannot countenance its also being attacked by individuals within the Church who should be defending and clarifying it,” Haas added. “It is very encouraging that over 20 international academic and scholarly institutions are participating in this very important congress in defence of marriage and family which are safeguarded by the teaching of what has come to be seen as a prophetic encyclical.”

Asked about the alleged imminent reversal of Humanae Vitae, Dr Haas replied: “I have only heard the rumours. But it is not a question of overturning Humanae Vitae but also Casti Connubii of Pius XI as well as Evangelium Vitae and Familiaris Consortio of St John Paul II, as well as his entire Theology of the Body. It would also mean rejecting Gaudium et Spes of Vatican II. Indeed, to overturn Humanae Vitae would mean rejecting the entire moral tradition of the Catholic Church.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; frankenchurch; paglia
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In the volume, which compiles the proceedings of an Academy seminar encouraged by Pope Francis, Archbishop Paglia speaks of contraception as a possible morally licit choice, writing: “The wise choice [with regard to contraception] will be realized by appropriately evaluating all possible techniques with reference to their specific situation and obviously excluding abortifacient ones.”
1 posted on 05/22/2023 11:21:50 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Al Hitan; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; kalee; markomalley; miele man; Mrs. Don-o; ...

Ping


2 posted on 05/22/2023 11:22:25 AM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

First shots, garbage.

This war went hot at the Lambeth Conference, with Pius XI rolling out the big gun and effectively going nuclear not much later with Castii Connubbii (too many doubled letters there—don’t know which ones to cut out off hand)

St. John XXIII essentially gave a free pass for friendly fire within the ranks of the Church, and after St. Paul VI ordered the dropping of another bomb and nearly everyone in the Church said “we don’t think you are authorized to use the launch code” fragging on this issue was tolerated nearly universally.

St. Paul VI said “forget this” on writing Encyclicals, never bothered to write another (since people weren’t bothering to read them anyway) but did write a nice apostolic letter on Dante. While doing that he gained an appreciation for poetic justice, and eventually kick Bugnini “upstairs,” making him Archbishop of DIocletianopolis and sending him to Tehran. He made no comments on fragging that were effective and after Humanae Vitae, on this issue, was a little more effective than a social worker would have been at Omaha Beach.

While JPII and BXVI continued to tolerate fragging, they at least threw the occasional grenade themselves in the right dirction and did give general encouragement to people who were doing the right thing.

If Pope Francis is willing to stop, or at least tone down, his own fragging, and share a stage politely with someone who speaks the truth on the issue, it seems that we may be able to escape rock bottom, but who am I to judge?

But first shots, no.

I would be surprised to see Pope Francis doing any shooting on this subject—I’d sooner expect to see Franky Goes To Hollywood. But who am I to judge?


3 posted on 05/22/2023 11:55:23 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus

But do you think a “wink wink” confusion of teaching might be possible? Francis saying I can’t change this church teaching but not everyone can live up to it - the result being that those using contraception find no reason to repent and continue to live with the pie in the sky expectation that the Church will change an unchangeable teaching.


4 posted on 05/22/2023 12:02:15 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: Hieronymus
Or yearning for relevance... maybe?

UK Birth of "Three Parent Baby" Came at a high moral cost...


5 posted on 05/22/2023 12:06:19 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (" Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me - will also do the works that I do; ....")
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To: MDLION

Holy Spirit, cleanse Your Church.


6 posted on 05/22/2023 12:07:58 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: ebb tide

How do we encourage marriage and family?

Too many people, both men and women, seem not to want to get married and have children nowadays.

And of those who do have children, the women are giving birth to fewer in their lifetime than women of previous generations.

How do you turn around people’s attitudes? Birth control being so available and effective is one factor. Another is that many young people seemingly have no interest in family life.


7 posted on 05/22/2023 12:11:49 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego
How do you turn around people’s attitudes? Birth control being so available and effective is one factor. Another is that many young people seemingly have no interest in family life.

Point to the sheer, self-important, thumb-twiddling boredom of a society with few children.

Children roll right out of the womb veritably packed with the secret antidote to boredom: comedy.

8 posted on 05/22/2023 12:38:51 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: ebb tide

The Globalists want to eliminate any competition for loyalty, be it family, race or nation and they want to lower the population. So they will import Africans into Europe while killing white people in Ukraine and depressing birth rates elsewhere.


9 posted on 05/22/2023 2:05:12 PM PDT by Tacticalman
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To: SamuraiScot
Children roll right out of the womb veritably packed with the secret antidote to boredom: comedy.

Oh that is so true! We always say, better than television!

10 posted on 05/22/2023 2:09:36 PM PDT by viewfromthefrontier
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To: ebb tide
we are all born of a man or a woman ,” Meloni said to applause

Did something get lost or confused in the translation from Italian to English?

11 posted on 05/22/2023 3:12:29 PM PDT by Bernard (“the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." JFK 1-20-61)
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To: MDLION

What you suggest is very conceivable as a mindset, but it seems to me the opposite of mercy. Negligent indulgence is not mercy.


12 posted on 05/22/2023 3:55:30 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus

But it’s not “negligent indulgence”; it’s “deliberate indulgence”, something Bergoglio won’t give to traditional Catholics.


13 posted on 05/22/2023 5:46:47 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

I’m not going to debate or judge what sort of indulgence the Holy Father is giving those practicing various things that St. Peter Damien showed mercy to the practicioners thereof.

As to the Trads, my inclincation is to disagree with you on that point. I don’t think that he can give them delibetarte indulgence He may think that he is giving them an equal helping of negligent indulgence, but as far as I can see, in this case that is not something I believe they seek or can be given.

I think that he could give them justice, but instead God is allowing him to give the far more precious gift of a Cross.

But who am I to judge?


14 posted on 05/22/2023 7:24:04 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus

What I’m saying is that Bergoglio is giving traditional Catholics no indulgences, whether they be deliberate or negligent. He persecutes no others with such ferocity.


15 posted on 05/22/2023 7:34:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

What I am saying is that you can’t indulge what is in no way flawed or erroneous.

“Pilate indulged Our Lord’s desire to redeem the world”? I don’t think so.

He cooperated with it as an unwitting instrument.


16 posted on 05/22/2023 7:37:47 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus

Well, what was JP II’s Indult Mass?

What was the Agatha Christie indult?


17 posted on 05/22/2023 8:08:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: Hieronymus
Quattuor Abhinc Annos: Indult for Use of Roman Missal of 1962
18 posted on 05/22/2023 8:13:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

I stand with Pope Benedict’s position that what was good cannot immediately become bad, and so cannot be outlawed, and that no one needs permission to do the good.

(Effective the Feast of the Triumph of the Cross???)


19 posted on 05/22/2023 8:14:00 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: ebb tide
Maybe God is softening his heart?
20 posted on 05/22/2023 8:15:29 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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