Posted on 05/22/2023 11:21:50 AM PDT by ebb tide
Ping
First shots, garbage.
This war went hot at the Lambeth Conference, with Pius XI rolling out the big gun and effectively going nuclear not much later with Castii Connubbii (too many doubled letters there—don’t know which ones to cut out off hand)
St. John XXIII essentially gave a free pass for friendly fire within the ranks of the Church, and after St. Paul VI ordered the dropping of another bomb and nearly everyone in the Church said “we don’t think you are authorized to use the launch code” fragging on this issue was tolerated nearly universally.
St. Paul VI said “forget this” on writing Encyclicals, never bothered to write another (since people weren’t bothering to read them anyway) but did write a nice apostolic letter on Dante. While doing that he gained an appreciation for poetic justice, and eventually kick Bugnini “upstairs,” making him Archbishop of DIocletianopolis and sending him to Tehran. He made no comments on fragging that were effective and after Humanae Vitae, on this issue, was a little more effective than a social worker would have been at Omaha Beach.
While JPII and BXVI continued to tolerate fragging, they at least threw the occasional grenade themselves in the right dirction and did give general encouragement to people who were doing the right thing.
If Pope Francis is willing to stop, or at least tone down, his own fragging, and share a stage politely with someone who speaks the truth on the issue, it seems that we may be able to escape rock bottom, but who am I to judge?
But first shots, no.
I would be surprised to see Pope Francis doing any shooting on this subject—I’d sooner expect to see Franky Goes To Hollywood. But who am I to judge?
But do you think a “wink wink” confusion of teaching might be possible? Francis saying I can’t change this church teaching but not everyone can live up to it - the result being that those using contraception find no reason to repent and continue to live with the pie in the sky expectation that the Church will change an unchangeable teaching.
Holy Spirit, cleanse Your Church.
How do we encourage marriage and family?
Too many people, both men and women, seem not to want to get married and have children nowadays.
And of those who do have children, the women are giving birth to fewer in their lifetime than women of previous generations.
How do you turn around people’s attitudes? Birth control being so available and effective is one factor. Another is that many young people seemingly have no interest in family life.
Point to the sheer, self-important, thumb-twiddling boredom of a society with few children.
Children roll right out of the womb veritably packed with the secret antidote to boredom: comedy.
The Globalists want to eliminate any competition for loyalty, be it family, race or nation and they want to lower the population. So they will import Africans into Europe while killing white people in Ukraine and depressing birth rates elsewhere.
Oh that is so true! We always say, better than television!
Did something get lost or confused in the translation from Italian to English?
What you suggest is very conceivable as a mindset, but it seems to me the opposite of mercy. Negligent indulgence is not mercy.
But it’s not “negligent indulgence”; it’s “deliberate indulgence”, something Bergoglio won’t give to traditional Catholics.
I’m not going to debate or judge what sort of indulgence the Holy Father is giving those practicing various things that St. Peter Damien showed mercy to the practicioners thereof.
As to the Trads, my inclincation is to disagree with you on that point. I don’t think that he can give them delibetarte indulgence He may think that he is giving them an equal helping of negligent indulgence, but as far as I can see, in this case that is not something I believe they seek or can be given.
I think that he could give them justice, but instead God is allowing him to give the far more precious gift of a Cross.
But who am I to judge?
What I’m saying is that Bergoglio is giving traditional Catholics no indulgences, whether they be deliberate or negligent. He persecutes no others with such ferocity.
What I am saying is that you can’t indulge what is in no way flawed or erroneous.
“Pilate indulged Our Lord’s desire to redeem the world”? I don’t think so.
He cooperated with it as an unwitting instrument.
Well, what was JP II’s Indult Mass?
What was the Agatha Christie indult?
I stand with Pope Benedict’s position that what was good cannot immediately become bad, and so cannot be outlawed, and that no one needs permission to do the good.
(Effective the Feast of the Triumph of the Cross???)
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