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Vatican publishes Enabling Act for the Destruction of the Latin Mass
Catholic Conclave ^ | 21/02/23 | CG

Posted on 02/21/2023 11:15:36 AM PST by Gillibrand1

Who can dispense with the regulations of "Traditionis custodes"? Pope Francis makes it clear that only the liturgical dicastery can do so. With the new decree now published, the Vatican can reclaim many local special permissions for the Old Mass.

Pope Francis has determined that the dispensational power for Mass celebrations in the pre-conciliar form rests with the Apostolic See. A decree of the Pope published on Tuesday states that only the Vatican can grant dispensations for such Mass celebrations in parish churches or for the establishment of corresponding personal parishes.

(Excerpt) Read more at cathcon.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: francis; latin; mass; pope
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1 posted on 02/21/2023 11:15:36 AM PST by Gillibrand1
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To: Gillibrand1

Roche has issued his decree. Now let him enforce it.

If the Vatican gets what it is asking for, it will be boom times for the SSPX.


2 posted on 02/21/2023 11:26:19 AM PST by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus

The majority of the world’s cardinals wanted this Pope.

Looking for a better church should have been on the plate, a long time ago.


3 posted on 02/21/2023 11:29:50 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Gillibrand1

Throw another tantrum you one lunged, marxist, atheist.


4 posted on 02/21/2023 11:31:31 AM PST by HYPOCRACY (This is the dystopian future we've been waiting for!)
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To: Gillibrand1
This is my #1 problem I, a Protestant, have with the Catholic beliefs. It's not that some of your beliefs are different from mine, it's that so many of your beliefs and practices aren't "official" unless a "real" leader implements it.

As long as you believe the eucharist becomes the flesh and blood of Jesus only if an "official" priest hands out the elements, then the RCC leaders have a control over you.

As long as you believe absolution from purgatory happens only at the blessing of an "official" priest, then the RCC leaders have a control over you.

If it wasn't for that, then most of the Catholic beliefs would be little different from beliefs of fellow Protestants I disagree with (i.e. I don't believe in Calvinism, nor that the initial evidence of Spirit baptism is speaking in tongues, or that the earth is only 6,000 years old, etc.). Hint: one of those is believed by my own pastor, but he doesn't make a big deal of it and has mentioned it only in passing twice maybe in 10 years. Evidently it's not a big deal with him either.

In many ways, the RCC belief that these things happen only with an "official" priest makes it a lot harder for the righteous Catholics to get the necessary reforms. In contrast, look at all of the Methodist churches that voted their local congregation away from the hedonist United Methodist conference. Their wayward leaders had little control over the good members, of which there were many (evidently). I hope the good Catholics can figure out a way to do the same.

5 posted on 02/21/2023 11:31:36 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Have you founded a better Church?

Where do I sign up?

BTW—how did you manage to do so?


6 posted on 02/21/2023 11:34:09 AM PST by Hieronymus
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7 posted on 02/21/2023 11:37:53 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

All i see is a big white box with a little blue box in the centre that contains a white questionmark.


8 posted on 02/21/2023 11:51:17 AM PST by Hieronymus
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To: Gillibrand1

A question to Catholics. What would the Pope have to do for you to switch churches? Is there anything?


9 posted on 02/21/2023 12:09:26 PM PST by alternatives?
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To: Hieronymus

Time for a brand-spaking new denomination.


10 posted on 02/21/2023 12:13:13 PM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK; ConservativeMind

Why? Is there something wrong with the one that ConservativeMind founded?

If you start one, will you have donuts and coffee? How big is your living room?


11 posted on 02/21/2023 12:16:02 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: Hieronymus

Check this link. It’s the cartoon at the bottom:

https://www.gloria.tv/post/YssMy8oLA64K1RfYR1epQcyq6


12 posted on 02/21/2023 12:16:24 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Gillibrand1

Best solution? Ignore it. What one \pope has decreed, a future pope can wipe away. Francis has made this perfectly clear, if nothing else.


13 posted on 02/21/2023 12:16:41 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: alternatives?
A question to Catholics. What would the Pope have to do for you to switch churches? Is there anything?

Bad popes come and go. There's only one Catholic Church and it has endured awful men in the papacy before.
14 posted on 02/21/2023 12:17:40 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: alternatives?

He can’t do anything other than be an occassion for a sin of despair or a sin of unbelief. God gives us the grace to resist temptations, but if we do not correspond to the grace, it’s on us.

That said, for those who do not know their right hand from their left (which would be more literally the hand they feed themselves with from the hand with which they wipe themselves), Whom am I to judge?

The walls of hell are lined with mitres (attributed to Chrysostom—the only episcopal quote of his that I have been able to verify is that the majority of Bishops go to hell-—in fairness to Bishops throughout history, the context was the beginning of the 5th century).


15 posted on 02/21/2023 12:20:11 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: alternatives?

No need to change churches no matter what the pope does, even if he had participated in the Superbowl halftime show with a Lucifer suit (wouldn’t surprise me with this “pope”).

We know he’s an anti-pope, he’s not Catholic and he doesn’t share Catholic beliefs. So why would he cause us to change churches? Our faith and beliefs are unchanged. A bad pope was to be expected at this point (ref. St. Malachy — and possibly the last).


16 posted on 02/21/2023 12:20:41 PM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: Antoninus

Except that popes are elected by the College of Cardinals, and Francis has been busy filling every new vacancy with gay-friendly Marxists.


17 posted on 02/21/2023 12:20:47 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (The rot of all principle begins with a single compromise.)
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To: ebb tide

Thanks.

I saw another story in the sidebar that was interesting.

https://www.gloria.tv/post/3mvt4P7xfLq84yeXzSKH6NEzr

Weird times. Does he think that he is a 15th century French King?

In fairness, not everything was perfect there (I had several chats a number of years ago with someone who had spent about 10 years with the community), but I cannot recall any instances in the past millenia or so where such a solution has solved problems. Admittedly, I may have missed something and do not know everything, but, to say the least, this is “unusual.”


18 posted on 02/21/2023 12:26:45 PM PST by Hieronymus
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To: Gillibrand1

Make way for the First Independent Catholic Parish of St. Hubert.


19 posted on 02/21/2023 12:30:20 PM PST by aspasia
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To: aspasia; GingisK

Make way for the First Independent Catholic Parish of St. Hubert.


At least the poutine should be good for those who want to chicken out from the rough ride in the barque of Peter.

https://www.st-hubert.com/en.html


20 posted on 02/21/2023 12:33:39 PM PST by Hieronymus
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