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Vatican Says They’re Gifts; Indigenous Groups Want Them Back
Crux ^ | 7/21/22 | AP

Posted on 07/31/2022 6:06:07 PM PDT by marshmallow

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican Museums are home to some of the most magnificent artworks in the world, from Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel to ancient Egyptian antiquities and a pavilion full of papal chariots. But one of the museum’s least-visited collections is becoming its most contested before Pope Francis’ trip to Canada.

The Vatican’s Anima Mundi Ethnological Museum, located near the food court and right before the main exit, houses tens of thousands of artifacts and art made by Indigenous peoples from around the world, much of it sent to Rome by Catholic missionaries for a 1925 exhibition in the Vatican gardens.

The Vatican says the feathered headdresses, carved walrus tusks, masks and embroidered animal skins were gifts to Pope Pius XI, who wanted to celebrate the Church’s global reach, its missionaries and the lives of the Indigenous peoples they evangelized.

But Indigenous groups from Canada, who were shown a few items in the collection when they traveled to the Vatican last spring to meet with Francis, question how some of the works were actually acquired and wonder what else may be in storage after decades of not being on public display.

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1 posted on 07/31/2022 6:06:07 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Stop ripping off the oppressed


2 posted on 07/31/2022 6:07:17 PM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it 🤪)
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To: marshmallow

Indian givers.

(Too obvious?)


3 posted on 07/31/2022 6:07:57 PM PDT by cockroach_magoo (“Sure we’ll have Fascism here, but it will come as an anti-Fascism movement.”  - Huey Long)
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:)


4 posted on 07/31/2022 6:09:32 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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To: cockroach_magoo

It had to be said.


5 posted on 07/31/2022 6:11:14 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: cockroach_magoo

Har.


6 posted on 07/31/2022 6:12:07 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: marshmallow

Typical Indian-givers.


7 posted on 07/31/2022 6:16:56 PM PDT by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: marshmallow

Indians are all about MONEY...They cry foul...and we pay. Nothing has changed...


8 posted on 07/31/2022 6:22:26 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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".. Indigenous groups from Canada, who were shown a few items in the
collection when they traveled to the Vatican last spring to meet with Francis,
question how some of the works were actually acquired.."

Apparently the current pope's recent canadian exhibition failed to appease the natives.

9 posted on 07/31/2022 6:30:49 PM PDT by chief lee runamok (Anti-Socialist Derelict at Large)
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To: chief lee runamok

Send the roadside trinkets back. They want them, they should get them.


10 posted on 07/31/2022 6:33:35 PM PDT by healy61
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To: healy61

If thewy gave them away...which they did...they belong to the Church. Who the heck would rip off a church?


11 posted on 07/31/2022 6:35:16 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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Sounds like they are real…Indian givers


12 posted on 07/31/2022 6:39:56 PM PDT by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: marshmallow

Most museums record how an item came into possession.

Gift of Rich Philadelphian, 1942....

Bequest of estate of Rich New Yorker, 1953....

Purchase by Museum Acquistion Fund, 1972....


13 posted on 07/31/2022 6:43:55 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: marshmallow

In return for an artwork, donors usually expect a notice of generosity (Gift of Mr. Fatcat) to be displayed along with the artwork.


14 posted on 07/31/2022 6:46:49 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: marshmallow

Priests didn’t go into Indian villages and snatch up interesting items.

The items were:
a) given to a church or priest beforehand,
b) requested by a priest from a tribe or tribal member,
c) sent by a tribe or tribal member to the Vatican, or
d) given by a previous purchaser (or heir thereof) of the item.


15 posted on 07/31/2022 6:51:40 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: marshmallow

they were won as blackjack prizes when the popes played blackjack there in the Indian casinos.


16 posted on 07/31/2022 7:00:57 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (t)
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To: cockroach_magoo

And it only took 3 posts to get there. LOL


17 posted on 07/31/2022 7:06:03 PM PDT by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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To: healy61

They’re probably demon possessed anyways.


18 posted on 07/31/2022 7:21:23 PM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as. )
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Frankie will be unlikely to give them back then.


19 posted on 07/31/2022 7:32:38 PM PDT by BipolarBob (lazy FReepers don't have a homepage.)
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To: marshmallow

Send them back. Nobody goes to the Vatican museums to see that junk. There’s more interest and expertise in the New World. Send it back.


20 posted on 07/31/2022 7:54:31 PM PDT by Romulus
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