The Abolitionist John Brown is no model for Christian engagement

Christian Post ^ | 07/27/2022 | Mark Tooley

[HandyDandy]

So you just double down on your lie? You are self-deluded.

[DiogenesLamp]

On November 2, Brown was sentenced to death by hanging with the sentence carried out on December 2nd. They didn't waste any time back then, did they?

Took em a whole month.

Here is a case in which they really meant business.

Giuseppe Zangara (September 7, 1900 – March 20, 1933) was an Italian immigrant and naturalized United States citizen who attempted to assassinate then-President-elect of the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, on February 15, 1933, 17 days before Roosevelt's inauguration.During a night speech by Roosevelt in Miami, Florida, Zangara fired five shots with a handgun he had purchased a couple of days before. He missed his target and instead injured five bystanders and killed Anton Cermak, the Mayor of Chicago.

Cermak died of peritonitis 19 days later, on March 6, 1933, two days after Roosevelt's inauguration. Zangara was promptly indicted for first-degree murder in Cermak's death.

"After spending only 10 days on death row, Zangara was executed on March 20, 1933, in Old Sparky, the electric chair at Florida State Prison in Raiford. "

March 6 - March 20 is less than a month.

[DiogenesLamp]

Take it up with reality. May I introduce you?

"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."

That is the amendment Lincoln tried to get passed as an amendment.

You have to be some sort of loon to see that as not permanent. It doesn't even allow itself to be unamended.

[georgecorgi]

So massacring Jewish and Muslim men, women and children in the First Crusade is cool with you then. The forced expulsion of Jews and Muslims from Spain is no big deal. The abject failure of Christendom to improve the lives of ordinary people until the Reformation is just peachy. The full throated collaboration of the Roman “Church” and the Orthodox establishment with the Holocaust is fine by you too. And, the Vatican Ratline smuggling Nazis out of Europe after WW2 and into Romanist Latin America is fine as well.
But I’m guessing you probably liked getting molested by the priests.

[HandyDandy]

I have zero interest in your distorted perception of reality. As you have been told time after time, the amendment was intended to remove any power over the matter of slavery, from congress, and hand it to the States.

[DiogenesLamp]

And so long as any state wanted it, it was secure. Slavery would have continued indefinitely.

And for some reason, you think this is just dandy.

[metmom]

georgecorgi
Since Feb 25, 2022

Welcome to FR.

Just why are you here?

[DiogenesLamp]

Cool. Now do the Muslims.

[HandyDandy]

“And so long as any state wanted it, it was secure.”

Exactly. It was about States Rights.

“Slavery would have continued indefinitely.”

That’s like just your opinion, man. I think it would have ended sooner rather than later.

“And for some reason, you think this is just dandy.”

And just where does this sick thought come from, but your own sick and twisted mind.

[PghBaldy]

https://www.lib.niu.edu/2006/ih060934.html

[georgecorgi]

Because they weren’t the topic.
In fact, my opinion of them is far more withering than it is of Romanism or other perversions of Christian thought. One only needs look at the impoverishment and backwardness of every Muslim society.
FYI, I also fervently oppose the freeloading religious nutbuggers in Israel who freeload on the Israeli taxpayer.
My bias is Ayn Rand Objectivist/Libertarian.

[DiogenesLamp]

Because they weren’t the topic.

i'm one of those people who don't mind if the topic wanders a bit. Yeah, the early centuries of Christianity weren't all that Christian, but so many people attack it nowadays that people get defensive about any criticism.

My bias is Ayn Rand Objectivist/Libertarian.

I sorta figured that. Ayn Rand was a great intellect and her ideas are very relevant, but I think there is an important missing ingredient in her recipe.

Humans inherently want some sort of spirituality.

[A strike]

“I could easily continue.”

Not a fan of Western civilization I see.

[DiogenesLamp]

https://www.lib.niu.edu/2006/ih060934.html

Cool. Now here's one for you.

https://philmagness.com/new-historical-writings/abraham-lincoln-and-the-corwin-amendment/

[Hiddigeigei]

"'Nobody was ever more justly hanged' — Nathaniel Hawthorne"
My maternal great-grandfather's second wife's father was on the jury that condemned him. Great-grandfather's first wife, my great-grandmother, had mix-African slave ancestry (but an impressive dowry). That was the way it was then. John Brown's first victim at Harpers Ferry was a slave that was shot running away across the railroad bridge. At the museum in Charleston, there is/was a letter from the wife of a non-slave-holding farmer's wife whose husband was killed by John Brown in Kansas simply because he was from the South.

[Nifster]

An atheist speaks

[Nifster]

Agreed

[Nifster]

Oh noes😱😱😱😱

Humans sin

[Nifster]

Rand was an ardent atheist. She worshipped man

[HandyDandy]

From PghBaldy link:
“In other words, the amendment would forever guarantee the right of the Southern people to own slaves.”
“By tacitly supporting Corwin's amendment, Lincoln hoped to convince the South that he would not move to abolish slavery and, at the minimum, keep the border states of Maryland, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, and North Carolina from seceding.”
“Corwin's amendment, as it was then called, was one of three attempts to resolve the secession crisis between Lincoln's election in November 1860 and the firing on Fort Sumter in April 1861.”

And from DiogenesLamp link:
“The Corwin Amendment was the last-ditch compromise effort to protect slavery where it existed by enshrining it in the Constitution.”

The discerning reader will no doubt recognize which link is from lost causer mythology.