Catholics Don't Believe You Can Earn Your Way to Heaven

Tradition | 03-06-2022 | CharlesOconnell

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> The Catholic Church does NOT sell indulgences. Where are you getting this mistaken information?

History. Of course it was phrased as a quid pro quo for donations.

Of course only Christ can forgive sin, so donations. Prayers, crusades, to receive indulgences we’re false.

There is no purgatory.

The great news is that any soul who wants to spend eternity in heaven can trust in Christ alone, now.

[imardmd1]

They were, up to a point under the Law, when the counter goes back to zero, but then starts ticking again until the next Yom Kippur under the Law.

That is, until Jesus fulfills all righteousness under the Law, ends its rule over the Jews, and cries out concerning self-obedience in every point of the Law:

"It is finished, once and for all time"

>> Perfect tense, passive voice (= it, the living of a perfect sinless life until the moment of physical death), indicative mode) <<

[metmom]

Revelation 2 & 3 address church bodies that tolerate sin.

Jesus removes them.

[metmom]

Revelation 2 & 3 address church bodies that tolerate sin.

Jesus removes them.

Which actually disproves the Catholic’s claim that their church is somehow being protected in its sin by the Holy Spirit.

If they were a true church, based on Scriptural precedent, their candlestick would have been removed LONG ago for the reprehensible sexual sin that infests it.

[metmom]

God waits for all sinners to return to Him and He is joyful. Think about it, please.

No, He doesn’t wait.

He actively draws men to Himself.

God doesn’t sit passively by waiting for us to make the first move.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> He actively draws men to Himself.

+1

[af_vet_1981]

The Son of Man has the power to forgive sins.

As do the Apostles

John 20:20-23
King James Version
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Which it seems that Catholicism doesn’t believe, considering that they still demand that sins be worked off in Purgatory.

No; not work, but rather a purifying fire; here is the actual text:

III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608 1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611

[Luircin]

Maybe Roman Catholicism does not currently sell indulgences, but they used to, and the sin was never repented of.

I know it wasn’t repented of because my ancestors got swindled by Catholic indulgence hawkers, and I’m still waiting for the Vatican to give my family our money back!

Adjusting for inflation and interest payments, I should personally own 18% of St. Peter’s Basilica by now.

[Luircin]

I have a hard time seeing the difference, especially when it’s supposedly possible to release them from Purgatory early.

[Luircin]

I have returned to Christ already—though it was the Lord who moved me to do so—and I am joyful.

Now I continue to pray that I grow in the faith, obey God’s will out of love for him and my neighbor, and that I do not grieve my heavenly Father by falling into sin.

But if I do sin, I still have an advocate with the Father, who is Jesus Christ, whose blood covers all my sin.

[metmom]

But they are all dead, even if that was true.

However, GOD Himself forgives us our sins so an earthly, sinful, human intermediary is not necessary.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[Elsie]

Elsie, you’re an old guy like MHGinTN,

That's right; so don't mess with us!

[Elsie]

Matthew 25:6, 13

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
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13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

[Luircin]

I don’t know exactly how that relates to my post, but that’s still a good admonition nonetheless!

[Elsie]

Acts 10:44-48 niv

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.

Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.

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Dang!

Here are some folks who got the Holy Spirit BEFORE they were baptized!

I wonder why they needed to be baptized then???

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> As do the Apostles.

No.

“Nowhere in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles do we find any instance of an apostle remitting the sins of anyone. They do go everywhere, proclaiming the forgiveness of sins.” (JVM)

“The second part of each conditional clause in this verse is in the passive voice and the perfect tense in the Greek text. The passive voice indicates that someone has already done the forgiving or retaining. That person must be God since He alone has the authority to do that (Matt. 9:2–3; Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21). The perfect tense indicates that the action has continuing effects; the sins stand forgiven or retained at least temporarily if not permanently.” (TC)

[Elsie]

WOW!

Talk about being late to the party!

[MHGinTN]

I see Gregory’s mythos has you enthralled.

[Elsie]

NOW you are getting up to speed!

https://stpaulrepository.com/2013/11/29/catechism-of-the-catholic-church-section-2-20-the-theology-of-indulgences-1471-1474-by-fr-guy-de-gaynesford/

[MHGinTN]

Have you visited her profile page? ... 1100!