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To: Luircin
The Son of Man has the power to forgive sins.

As do the Apostles

John 20:20-23
King James Version
20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.


Which it seems that Catholicism doesn’t believe, considering that they still demand that sins be worked off in Purgatory.

No; not work, but rather a purifying fire; here is the actual text:

III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608 1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611

1,087 posted on 03/29/2022 4:56:27 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

I have a hard time seeing the difference, especially when it’s supposedly possible to release them from Purgatory early.


1,089 posted on 03/29/2022 5:02:50 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: af_vet_1981

But they are all dead, even if that was true.

However, GOD Himself forgives us our sins so an earthly, sinful, human intermediary is not necessary.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


1,091 posted on 03/29/2022 5:17:11 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith…)
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To: af_vet_1981

—> As do the Apostles.

No.

“Nowhere in the Book of Acts or in the Epistles do we find any instance of an apostle remitting the sins of anyone. They do go everywhere, proclaiming the forgiveness of sins.” (JVM)

“The second part of each conditional clause in this verse is in the passive voice and the perfect tense in the Greek text. The passive voice indicates that someone has already done the forgiving or retaining. That person must be God since He alone has the authority to do that (Matt. 9:2–3; Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21). The perfect tense indicates that the action has continuing effects; the sins stand forgiven or retained at least temporarily if not permanently.” (TC)


1,096 posted on 03/29/2022 5:35:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I see Gregory’s mythos has you enthralled.


1,098 posted on 03/29/2022 5:37:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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