Beth Moore Takes The Road To Rome!

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[Old Yeller]

More prophesy being fulfilled with one world religion.

[boatbums]

Really...so what would kind of Christian would you be then? A follower of those crazy Corinthians? Or a Galatian? Maybe a Gnostic? A Montanist? A follower of Arian? would you be a Works saving Pelagian? Or Nestorian? Sadly, you could not be a DIY Protestant, because without Rome... there is no 16th century Re(De)formation... So what kind of "christian" would you be? Just the same, I would bet...lol

You know, it's curious how you are so sure of your own "objectivity" that you fail to comprehend the simple point Metmom is making and instead you resort to mocking and ridicule. The "kind" of Christian we ALL would/should be is the kind who believe and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Divinely-inspired Scriptures.

"Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true. As a result, many of them believed, along with quite a few prominent Greek women and men." (Acts 17:11,12)

Even though the Bereans had Paul and Silas preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to them they went to the word of God to verify the truthfulness of what they were being told. Paul commended them for that. Hmmmm...

Metmom and I are both former Catholics and the kind of Christians we are are like those noble Bereans - we know what we believe and why we believe it because it is what God's word says. He is rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. We don't need to identify ourselves as "Protestant", "Pelagian", "Montanist", "Catholic", etc. because we are CHRISTIANS - born again, blood-bought, forgiven and saved by the grace of God and not through our own righteousness.

[boatbums]

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. (Galatians 5:4)

[metmom]

Is it forbidden to ever condemn sin amongst the clergy in Catholicism?

Because when ever it’s mentioned, the typical knee jerk reaction is to deflect the argument and ignore any reference to the aforementioned sin, except to mock and deride the person who exposes the elephant in the room.

And you guys sure love you labels. You just have to pigeon hole everyone for whatever reason.

Do you honestly think God cares about your fabricated labels or is going to give you a theological entrance exam to get into heaven?

I’m sure Catholicism would if they were tasked with manning the pearly gates, but God’s concern is only if a person has turned to Christ in faith, beleiving, IOW, just taking God at His word.

[metmom]

That does not support the spiritual hospital paradigm of the church.

It’s not to nurse people along to spiritual health.

It’s to equip believers for the work of the ministry, which ALL believers are called to do, not just a special clerical caste tasked with the job.

[MurphsLaw]

You don't believe in Jesus' paradigm then it seems...

[MurphsLaw]

NOTHING in the Catholic Faith BINDS THE WILL OF GOD...

No one- or no thing- ever can.

[MurphsLaw]

. He is rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. We don't need to identify ourselves as "Protestant", "Pelagian", "Montanist"...

You chose to mischaracterize my example in a most self-refuting way.
You can ignore the history all you want but people actually believed what Arius, Pelagius et al. actually believed- contrary to what the Early Church believed.
Many " believers"(Read 1st Clement)

And do you think THEY were not DILIGENT "seekers" too, as you say? - if not more?
Well they were more so in their convictions- and they were wrong.
Without the Church combating those errors... no way in he// can you say you would not fallen into one of those ancient heresies that could have been remained just as popular into today- in the same way with what Luther invented.
Thankfully, (ευχαριστία- eucharistally) we don't have to think about what might have been.
The revelation of Ephesus is proof enough.

[Philsworld]

John 14:15
“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.

1 John 2:3-5
And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:

1 John 5:2-3
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

Very simple formula for salvation:

Saved by Grace, THEN obey God’s commandments.

Saved by Grace, then REFUSE to obey God’s commandments? Then good luck to all Nicolaitans. (They believed and said that a person is saved by grace and therefore it doesn’t matter how you live....**once saved, always saved**, MAKING THE LAW OF GOD OF NO EFFECT. That is antinomianism)

Definition of antinomian: a believer in the doctrine that faith alone, not obedience to the moral law, is necessary for salvation.” Websters New World Dictionary.

Example: Ravi Zacharias

God will not tolerate (unrepentant) lawlessness.

[MHGinTN]

Do you, cultist seventh day adventist, even know the TWO commandments Jesus gave us?

[Philsworld]

What are the Two Greatest Commandments?
In Matthew 22:36-40 we find a lawyer trying to trap Jesus into saying which is the greatest of the Ten Commandments. Jesus of course outsmarts the lawyer by summing up the Ten Commandments in two by quoting the Old Testament.

Matthew 22:36-40 “Master, which is the great Commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. 40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.”Two greatest commandments given by Jesus in Matthew 22:36-40

Note carefully that Jesus said “all the law hang on these two.” And all as Jesus clarified means every bit of what God wrote and nothing less. Below you will find the two Old Testament verses that Jesus quoted from and the first verse is “right after” the second reading of the law. So did all the law hang on these two in the Old Testament? There can be absolutely no doubt and especially since Deuteronomy 6:5 is right after the second reading of the Ten Commandments. And since loving God with all your heart covers the first four laws God personally spoke and wrote, then this includes the fourth which no one can argue as the Sabbath Commandment had just been read. Did you get that? The fourth being the Sabbath is a law of love also because Deuteronomy 6:5 says that loving God with all your heart, soul and might is to keep each and every one of the Ten Commandments that had just been read 17 verses earlier. Love of course is eternal and and just one more reason why all Ten Commandments are also eternal.

Deuteronomy 6:5 “And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.”
Leviticus 19:18 “You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbour as yourself: I am the LORD.”

So what does this all prove? ALL the law which includes the Sabbath hung on these two Commandments in the Old Testament which no one can dispute, and while Jesus quotes from the Old Testament, He still says ALL the law hang on these two greatest Commandments. So what has changed? Absolutely nothing! Everything God wrote in stone remains totally unchanged just as Jesus promised in Matthew 5:17-19.

Paul also shows that these two Commandments are just a means of summing up the law in the following verses. Romans 13:9-10 “For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other Commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this SAYING, namely, You shall love your neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.”

If you love God with all your heart which is the greatest Commandment, you will be obeying all Ten but especially the first four as shown by Deuteronomy 6:5 which is right after the Ten Commandments are quoted. And if you love your neighbour as yourself, you will be obeying the last six. Therefore love is fulfilling the law and if you love God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself, then you will be obeying all Ten Commandments. Read what is the greatest Commandment for a more detailed document on this topic.

https://www.the-ten-commandments.org/whatarethetwogreatestcommandments.html#:~:text=%20What%20are%20the%20Two%20Greatest%20Commandments%3F%20,people%2C%20but%20you%20shall%20love%20your...%20More%20

[metmom]

No, I don’t believe your portrayal of the church.

[Philsworld]

So, my answer would be yes. Though it seems that you have no idea what He meant by it.

[MHGinTN]

LOL, thus accuseth the cultist.

[Philsworld]

Your last response is literally what someone would say if they had no idea what He meant by it. I rest my case.

[MHGinTN]

LOL, that was totally predictable from a seventh day adventist cult adherent ... ‘I have cited our cult’s take and you have rejected it, proving our take is accurate’, even as the cult mind is closed to truth and stuck on legalism. LOL, you so predictable, adventist.

[MHGinTN]

You lack discernment, thus you conflate the One True SPIRITUAL church with the Catholiciism ORG church. There are likely born again members of the One True Ekklesia in all the named orgs, even including some Catholics. It is not the ORG thast redeems. Redemption comes when an individual turns their will to believe in Whom God sent for their redemption. No priest in any ORG can do that for an individual.

[Philsworld]

Maybe one of your friends can help you with the meaning, since you still have no idea and only blather to cover for that fact. I suggest you phone a friend.

[Philsworld]

Could be you think you are exempt from keeping ALL of God’s moral law?

[boatbums]

You chose to mischaracterize my example in a most self-refuting way. You can ignore the history all you want but people actually believed what Arius, Pelagius et al. actually believed- contrary to what the Early Church believed. Many " believers"(Read 1st Clement) And do you think THEY were not DILIGENT "seekers" too, as you say? - if not more? Well they were more so in their convictions- and they were wrong. Without the Church combating those errors... no way in he// can you say you would not fallen into one of those ancient heresies that could have been remained just as popular into today- in the same way with what Luther invented. Thankfully, (ευχαριστία- eucharistally) we don't have to think about what might have been. The revelation of Ephesus is proof enough.

The self-refuting seems to be your forte.

Just as in the first century Christian community, today there is no end to heresies, they STILL pop up. Do yourself a favor and look up the way in which the early church leaders combatted the damnable heresies of false prophets/teachers who as ravenous wolves crept into the assemblies of believers to try to lead them astray. Did they stand upon, "We are THE church and we say so!"? No, they used the Scriptures to present the superior arguments and through their examples and prayer they trusted in the Holy Spirit to teach the truth to the hearts of those who were sincerely seeking to know it. St. Peter describes them well:

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not. (II Peter 2:1-3)

I left the Roman Catholic church because I saw for myself the errors it taught concerning one of THE most important tenets of the Christian faith - that of justification by faith and not works. I was diligently and earnestly seeking to know the truth and God kept His promise. He opened my eyes and heart to the truth of the gospel. Nobody told me leave but it was clear as day that what I had been told all my life up until then about how to go to heaven when I died was not the truth. This passage is what did that:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give to them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one. (John 10:27-30)

That's how God works! Through the leading of the Holy Spirit who teaches all things to those who seek God with all their heart and they WILL know the truth. God led me to go to a Bible college so that I could know His word and WHY I believed. That's why I will never be an Arian, Pelagian, semi-Pelagian, or any off shoot of them. I don't need to be a Roman Catholic to be a Christian.

[boatbums]

Very simple formula for salvation: Saved by Grace, THEN obey God’s commandments. Saved by Grace, then REFUSE to obey God’s commandments? Then good luck to all Nicolaitans. (They believed and said that a person is saved by grace and therefore it doesn’t matter how you live....**once saved, always saved**, MAKING THE LAW OF GOD OF NO EFFECT. That is antinomianism) Definition of antinomian: a believer in the doctrine that faith alone, not obedience to the moral law, is necessary for salvation.” Websters New World Dictionary.

Here we go again...

What saves you? Your faith in Jesus Christ or your obedience to the commandments? It's either grace OR works - not both. One is through the mercy and grace of God the other is you make yourself worthy through your deeds. You can't get it out of your head that NO ONE is saying it we should refuse to obey God or it "doesn't matter how you live"! Of course it matters! But my obedience and works do not contribute to my salvation. If you seek to be justified by the law you are fallen from grace - you make the cross of Christ to no effect.

I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. (Gal. 2:21)