Posted on 06/10/2021 2:25:59 AM PDT by Cronos
...Some of the pages date back to 7/8AD-Islam's first 200yrs—fragments of the oldest Korans. These fragments revealed small but intriguing aberrations from the standard Koranic text. Such aberrations, though not surprising to textual historians, are at odds with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran is the perfect, timeless, and unchanging WordofAllah.
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"They don't want attention drawn to the fact that there are Germans and others working on the Korans. They don't want it made public that there is work being done at all, since the Muslim position is that everything that needs to be said about the Koran's history was said a thousand years ago."
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"So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers of the Koran is just God's unaltered word. They like to quote the textual work that shows that the Bible has a history and did not fall straight out of the sky, but until now the Koran has been out of this discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the Koran has a history too. The Sana'a fragments will help us to do this."
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Muslim view of the Koran as AllahsWord, perfect and inimitable in message, language, style, and form, is strikingly similar to the fundamentalist Christian notion of the Bible's "inerrancy" and "verbal inspiration". The notion was given classic expression only a little more than a century ago by the biblical scholar John William Burgon.
The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the Throne! Every Book of it, every Chapter of it, every Verse of it, every word of it, every syllable of it ... every letter of it, is the direct utterance of the Most High!
(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...
Not all the Christians think this way about the Bible, however, and in fact, as the Encyclopaedia of Islam (1981) points out, "the closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Kur'an in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ."
If Christ is the Word of God made flesh, the Koran is the Word of Allah made text, and questioning its sanctity or authority is thus considered an outright attack on Islam—as Salman Rushdie knows all too well.
Among Hagarism's controversial claims were suggestions that the text of the Koran came into being later than is now believed ("There is no hard evidence for the existence of the Koran in any form before the last decade of the seventh century");
that Mecca was not the initial Islamic sanctuary ("[the evidence] points unambiguously to a sanctuary in north-west Arabia ... Mecca was secondary");
that the Arab conquests preceded the institutionalization of Islam ("the Jewish messianic fantasy was enacted in the form of an Arab conquest of the Holy Land");
that the idea of the hijra, or the migration of Muhammad and his followers from Mecca to Medina in 622, may have evolved long after Muhammad died ("No seventh-century source identifies the Arab era as that of the hijra");
and that the term "Muslim" was not commonly used in early Islam ("There is no good reason to suppose that the bearers of this primitive identity called themselves 'Muslims' [but] sources do ...
reveal an earlier designation of the community [which] appears in Greek as 'Magaritai' in a papyrus of 642, and in Syriac as 'Mahgre' or 'Mahgraye' from as early as the 640s").
They are all just Harry Potter books....
Little hats wrote the BuyBull....
N.A. Morozov had argued that “until the Crusades Islam was indistinguishable from Judaism and ... only then did it receive its independent character, while Muhammad and the first Caliphs are mythical figures. “
A major theological debate in fact arose within Islam in the late eighth century, pitting those who believed in the Koran as the “uncreated” and eternal Word of God against those who believed in it as created in time, like anything that isn’t God himself. Under the Caliph al-Ma’mun (813-833) this latter view briefly became orthodox doctrine. It was supported by several schools of thought, including an influential one known as Mu’tazilism, that developed a complex theology based partly on a metaphorical rather than simply literal understanding of the Koran.
By the end of the tenth century the influence of the Mu’tazili school had waned, for complicated political reasons, and the official doctrine had become that of i’jaz, or the “inimitability” of the Koran.
The Koran is a very badly rewritten version of parts of the Talmud and the New Testament, combined with some mythmaking and deletion of very important parts of the “Ten Commandments” and the “Golden Rule”, but without attribution for the parts that drew upon the concepts of “paradise”, a reward for the warriors for Allah, or “honor” among family members, which gives permission to maintain draconian control within the auspices of the clergy.
Cheap but useable toilet paper.
The koran is a pedophile’s dream come true.
7/8AD - 7th Century to 8th Century
Coming out of the liberal, higher critical closet, are you?
I suggest you not learn what traditional Judaism says about the Torah (a letter-by-letter dictation, including the sizes, shapes, and spaces, written by G-d in letters of black fire on a scroll of white fire 974 generations before the Creation). Wow. Those nineteenth century "fundies" sure had a lot of influence, didn't they?
Isn't it funny how anti-inerrantists always compare Fundamentalist Protestants to moslems but never to Orthodox Jews?
What is the matter with you liberal woke activists? Can’t you read that it is an article? Or is your snowflake attitude incapable of comprehension?
People whole-heartedly committed to ignorance are the only ones who see any similarity between Christianity and islam.
“traditional Judaism says about the Torah (a letter-by-letter dictation, including the sizes, shapes, and spaces, written by G-d in letters of black fire on a scroll of white fire 974 generations before the Creation).”
Typical liberal atheists like yourself don’t know the traditional anything. The traditional belief is that the Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, were dictated to Moses by God.
Not your muslim lite attitude. nowhere does the broader Bible suggest that it was all written by God and in no way is this belief necessary to live as an observant Jew. The Jewish Bible, the Tanach, attributes authorship of some of its sections to God, but these are few and far between.
Only in Exodus, the Bible’s second book, does the ubiquitous formula “The Lord spoke to Moses saying” begin. Absolutely nothing in Genesis suggests that it was originally understood as given from God. The first words of the Bible are, “When God began to create heaven and earth” — not “God said to Moses, ‘When I began to create heaven and earth.’” The final book of the Torah, Deuteronomy, presents itself as Moses’s speech, not God’s.
The classical formulation of the divine origin of the Torah comes from Maimonides: “The eighth fundamental principle is that the Torah came from God. We are to believe that the whole Torah was given us through Moses our Teacher entirely from God … through Moses who acted like a secretary taking dictation….”
And maimonides dates to the 11th century.
Perhaps you liberals ought to stop badmouthing rednecks and accusing them of Islamic literalism
Read the article. It points out that
Muslims see the Quran as the word of Allah, uncreated and existing before time and creation. It takes the place in Islam that Jesus (the Word of God) takes in Christianity.
The Word of God is Jesus Christ. The Bible is a collection of books that are God inspired, God breathed.
The Koran/Qur’an is a bunch of BS. Totally MADE UP in the mind of a lunatic.
EVERYTHING you could want to know about Islam.
“Prophet of Doom is the best-documented, most comprehensive, presentation of Islam’s five oldest and most reliable scriptural sources. Ishaq’s Biography of Muhammad, Tabari’s History of Islam, and Bukhari’s and Muslim’s Hadith, were used to reorder the Qur’an chronologically and to set its surahs into the context of Muhammad’s life. When this evidence is evaluated systematically, the only rational conclusion is that Islam’s lone prophet was a ruthless terrorist, a mass-murderer, a thief, slave trader, rapist and pedophile.”
Rules of Engagement with Muslims -
If non-believing Infidels are present, Sunni sect will unite with Shi’a sect to enslave (physical, sexual, monetary) all Infidels and annihilate the rest
If no Infidels present, Sunni sect will turn against Shi’a sect and annihilate each other until there is a ‘winner’
This has not changed in the 1200 years of ever-expanding Islamic conquest.
Yet one should note that Jesus quotes from and cites to Genesis as being the word of God. There is nothing to suggest that his Jewish audience took exception to that.
Not sure what that would mean, since time itself is part of "the Creation," but nevertheless, what you're saying is that the Torah was created by God in time.
The orthodox Muslim belief is that the Koran has eternally pre-existed with God, not that it was created by God in time.
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The Koran, the Book of Mormon, Scientology. All are cults based upon texts that are an amalgam of different spiritual traditions, myths and the authors’ own crazed and clever imaginations.
It’s about acquiring power, money and chicks.
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