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Jehovah’s Witnesses Leader: COVID-19 Signals the “Last Day of the Last Days” rapture
Patheos ^ | 20 march | He meant mehta

Posted on 02/27/2021 1:36:09 PM PST by Cronos

In case you’re wondering how some religions are coping with the outbreak of COVID-19, just look to the Jehovah’s Witnesses to see how absurd reactions can get.

In a recent video featuring Governing Body member Stephen Lett, he absolutely delights in the disease because he sees it as a signal that Armageddon is imminent.

So the events unfolding around us are making clear, [more] than ever, that we’re living in the final part of the Last Days. Undoubtedly, the final part of the final part of the Last Days, shortly before the last day of the Last Days.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Other non-Christian
KEYWORDS: endtimes; jehovahswitness
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To: Philsworld
You poor of spirit thuing, you are unable to see that you are making Salvation conditional. Conditional means it is no longer grace.

Referring back to your post #400, Hebrews 10:26&27 states 'received the KNOWLEDGE'; a Born Again Christian receives The Holy Spirit, not just the head knowledge. But that truth is beyond the cult mind which is impelling you. The knowledge of does not save. The Belief in which makes the truth real in the spirit is how salvation comes. You are a prime example of having a knowledge of yet not trusting in by faith alone in Christ alone. Your seventh day Adventist religion ADDS works to Grace and nullifies The Grace of God in Christ which saves ONLY by faith alone (no works of your fealty behavior to the law) in Christ alone. That is the precise point, 'allein' that Luther pointed to which set the Catholic org ablaze because they were making salvation conditional to the Catholic fealty to the Catholic Org sacraments. Your religion just substitutes fealty to the law which Christ has already fulfilled for a born again Believer.

The focus upon works is why you keep flogging Ravi , to support your Grace plus false religion. By making salvation conditional you insult the Grace of God which is 'unm,erited favor', or UNCONDITIONAL, unconditional even after He births us from above.

Phil, think about an answer: Can your flesh -which is your body and behavior mechanism- commit sin after your death upon this earth?... So as long as the flesh is alive IT CAN SIN AND DOES. But the actions of the 'dead to sin' flesh cannot effect the abiding God Seed in your born again spirit, if it be that you have been born again.

421 posted on 03/06/2021 7:44:33 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Basically the same question I answered in post 358.


Your reasoning is flawed. You equate biological death with sinful nature death. With biological death, there is no consciousness, no free will, nothing until you are raised from the grave at Christ’s return. You are not capable of sinning or keeping God’s commandments after that point. Your eternal salvation and God’s reward has then been decided based on your life and WORKS, as God clearly says in Revelation 22. You didn’t keep his commandments and show the fruits of your love to him by works? Oopsie.


422 posted on 03/06/2021 10:15:14 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

Your seventh day Adventist religion ADDS works to Grace and nullifies The Grace of God in Christ which saves ONLY by faith alone (no works of your fealty behavior to the law) in Christ alone.


Nope. My “SDA religion” shows God that we love him for what he did for us on the cross. Too bad yours doesn’t. Do you know him? Do you love him? Do you keep his commandments? No?

1 John 2
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


423 posted on 03/06/2021 10:33:48 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld; SouthernClaire; boatbums; metmom; imardmd1; aMorePerfectUnion; ealgeone; Iscool; ...
Did you know that Paul taught we have a physical body AND a spirit body? The spirit body remains alive even as the physical body is returning to the dust from whence it came.

It is that spirit body which is either alive in The Seed Life of God, or conscious in the seed life of death, the seed life of sin.

Those in Christ are alive by the Presence in their spirit of the seed life of God upon their Belief in Whom God has sent. There is no thing to be added to the Life God alone can impart to the dead spirit of a man. You cannot make or keep your spirit alive, so your efforts to keep the Law neither adds nor adds to or retains the Life which God alone gives by His Grace. You can neither add nor take away anything from the righteousness God IMPUTES to the spirit born from above.

Tell me Phil, do you know why the Restrainer must be taken out of the way before the antichrist can be revealed, coming with all signs and lying wonders? (2 Thess 2:6&7)

424 posted on 03/06/2021 10:53:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: boatbums

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Are you thinking that is talking about heaven???


That is the new Jerusalem. We inhabit it in heaven for the first 1000 years. Then Christ brings it to earth for the rest of eternity.

THE BIBLICAL TRUTH ABOUT THE MILLENNIUM
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/millen.htm


425 posted on 03/06/2021 10:57:45 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

Tell me Phil, do you know why the Restrainer must be taken out of the way before the antichrist can be revealed, coming with all signs and lying wonders? (2 Thess 2:6&7)


Tell me MHGinTN, do you have dementia? I’m being serious. How many times do I have to answer that question for you? Obviously one more time. I provide you a link that you won’t read, because I’m a Satanist cult member and if you click on the link and start to read you will be hypnotized and will follow Satan??? What gives with you anyway? I read and watch your Andy Woods filth. So why not give me the common courtesy and read/watch some of mine?

http://aloha.net/~mikesch/fathers-on-antichrist.htm

Paul distinctly tells us that he knew, and that the Thessalonians knew, what that hindrance was, and that it was then in existence. The early Church, through the writings of the Fathers, tells us what it knew upon the subject, and with remarkable unanimity affirms that this “let,” or hindrance, was the Roman empire as governed by the Caesars; that while the Caesars held imperial power, it was impossible for the predicted antichrist to arise, and that on the fall of the Caesars he would arise. Here we have a point on which Paul affirms the existence of knowledge in the Christian Church. The early Church knew, he says, what this hindrance was. The early Church tells us what it did know upon the subject, and no one in these days can be in a position to contradict its testimony as to what Paul had, by word of mouth only, told the Thessalonians. It is a point on which ancient tradition alone can have any authority. Modern speculation is positively impertinent on such a subject.1

1 As to the “ let” or hindrance to the manifestation of the “man of sin “ referred to in 2 Thess. ii., Mr. Elliott says: “We have the consenting testimony of the early Fathers, from Ireneus, the disciple of the disciple of St. John, down to Chrysostom and Jerome, to the effect that it was understood to be the imperial power ruling and residing at Rome.” — “ Horae Apocalyptica;,” vol. iii., p. 92.

Romanism and the reformation: from the standpoint of prophecy, by Henry Grattan Guinness, Hodder and Stoughton, 1887, pg. 194.


426 posted on 03/06/2021 11:12:50 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

The testimony is clear, the early church fathers quoted above generally expected the Antichrist to rise to power very soon after the fall of pagan Rome as prophesied in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. At the time that Paul wrote to the church at Thessalonica, the Caesars ruled, and until they were removed they restrained the Antichrist from rising to prominence and exercising his power. This is why Paul could not speak openly about the restrainer in his letter, because he did not want to invite unnecessary persecution by identifying Rome openly and predicting its demise. Pagan Rome’s rule ended in 476 A.D., so the above fathers were writing, in some cases, hundreds of years before the event, demonstrating that they understood prophecy, at least on that point.

There is only one entity that fulfills the timing spoken of by Paul, and expounded upon by the above quoted church fathers, which rose in prominence after the fall and division of the Roman empire in the 5th century, and subsequently took control of both civil and ecclesiastical governments, ruling for 1260 years (3 1/2 times) exactly as prophesied, and that is the papacy of the Roman Catholic Church, from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D.


Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) gave this remarkable testimony, which when examined in conjunction with Daniel chapter 7, precisely identifies the little horn, the man of sin, the Antichrist power:

The Catholic Church which was founded and instituted by Our Lord Jesus Christ to procure the eternal salvation of men, has, by reason of this divine institution, the form of a perfect society. Therefore, she must possess liberty such that she cannot be subject to any civil power in the execution of her sacred ministry.

To act with freedom, as it is just she should, she has always needed the assistance which was suitable to the conditions and the necessities of the age. It is, therefore, by a particular decree of Divine Providence that, at the fall of the Roman Empire and its partition into separate kingdoms, the Roman Pontiff, whom Christ made the head and center of his entire Church, acquired civil power.

Certainly, it was by a most wise design of God Himself that in the midst of so great a multitude and variety of temporal princes, the Sovereign Pontiff enjoyed political liberty, which is so necessary for him to exercise his spiritual power, his authority, and his jurisdiction over the whole world.

Source: Papal Teachings: The Church, selected and arranged by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, translated by Mother E. O’Gorman, R.S.C.J., Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart, St. Paul Editions, Boston, © 1980, 1962 by Daughters of St. Paul, Library of Congress catalog card number 62-12454, par. #225, page 160.


427 posted on 03/06/2021 11:19:42 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

Did you know that Paul taught we have a physical body AND a spirit body? The spirit body remains alive even as the physical body is returning to the dust from whence it came.
It is that spirit body which is either alive in The Seed Life of God, or conscious in the seed life of death, the seed life of sin.


We’ve talked about this too.

http://aloha.net/~mikesch/death.htm

CONCLUSION

When we die, we sleep in the grave - we have no thoughts, no consciousness, no existence at all, until our resurrection. At the resurrection of the just, at the second coming, the righteous will receive eternal life. That is the reward for faith:


428 posted on 03/06/2021 11:32:51 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

You have missed the target, again!


429 posted on 03/06/2021 12:04:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Philsworld

I was intending to share more with you but having you call my Pastor’s teaching ‘filth’ I am persuaded that giving you any more lanterns is useless. May God have mercy upon your lost soul. You are in a very deep darkness, Phil. ONLY supernatural power can restrain satan. Government cannot do the super natural, only the Holy Spirit of God can restrain the supernatural powers of all signs and lying wonders satan will accompany his antichrist with. I was going to show you why it is The Holy Spirit Restraining and why the Body of Christ Believers must be taken from the 4D scene before the antichrist can be revealed, but you are so ddeply deceived I would be wasting electrons.


430 posted on 03/06/2021 12:09:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN; Philsworld
I have looked at Phil's link in 428...Someone spent a lot of time putting that together...

It is amazing how much scripture they left out/ignored, distorted and taken out of context...I could have written that piece myself, before I was saved...

431 posted on 03/06/2021 2:19:56 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool
It is amazing how much scripture they left out/ignored, distorted and taken out of context...I could have written that piece myself, before I was saved...

I think you assessed it accurately.

432 posted on 03/06/2021 3:05:41 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I'd rather be anecdotally alive than scientifically dead...)
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To: MHGinTN

I was going to show you why it is The Holy Spirit Restraining and why the Body of Christ Believers must be taken from the 4D scene before the antichrist can be revealed, but you are so deeply deceived I would be wasting electrons.


You can save your electrons because I already know what you would have told me. I watched one of the Andy Woods videos you linked to. Andy’s WRONG.


433 posted on 03/06/2021 3:28:19 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

Can you give any RATIONAL reason Paul would not have just said the Holy Spirit was the Restrainer? Andy Woods can’t either. The early church fathers are with me on this. The early Christian Church would have gotten POUNDED by the Roman government, worse than they already were, if Paul had called them out as the Restrainer in print. That’s why it was word of mouth only.

You PURPOSELY won’t believe it because if you do, your precious pre trib Rapture theory is down the drain. The Antichrist is already here and EVERY clue in the bible points to the Catholic Church. The Reformers ALL knew it. Satan has you fooled real good. You follow the Catholic Church’s counter theory to Historicism, that being Futurism. “Nope, we’re not the Antichrist power. The Antichrist comes in the FUTURE.” You have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.


434 posted on 03/06/2021 3:47:52 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

HOOK, LINE, AND SINKER.....

“What all of this boils down to is that there are a lot of well-meaning Christians
unwittingly going around today spouting the twisted doctrines of the Jesuit Ribera or the
Jesuit Alcazar, thinking they are doing God a favor while interpreting prophecy, and
nothing could be further from the truth! It should also be pointed out here that by-andlarge most of the Jesuits were Kenite-Edomite-Canaanite-jews, or the spawn of Satan
from Gen. 3:15! To repeat any tommyrot from such sources, without first confirming
them, is tantamount to following Satan’s agenda! With the quotations used in this
paper, you will notice that I have placed the rubbish of the Jesuit Ribera and the Jesuit
Alcazar in their proper categories. One will have to pardon those in nominal
churchianity, as their ancestors during the middle ages didn’t have access to Holy Writ,
but today, we in Israel Identity don’t have any excuse! Therefore, the Israel Identity
Christian should be following only the Historical school of Biblical, prophetic
interpretation! I would urge each person reading this essay to examine all of the data
presented here to determine whether these sources are valid or not. It would be
irrational to take a position, one way or another, without doing so!
It might be argued that the sentiments of Guinness, Tanner, Elliot and Froom,
along with others were simply anti-Catholic vilification and have no historical accuracy.
On the other hand, Roman Catholics, as well as Protestants, harmonize in many cases
of origin and interpretation, as the Roman Catholic writer G.S. Hitchcock demonstrates
in his The Beast and the Little Horn, London, Catholic Truth Society Publication, 1911,
p. 7:
Roman Catholic Origin Of Both Futurism & Preterism Doctrines; Page 6“The Futuristic School, founded by the Jesuit Ribera in 1591, looks for Antichrist,
Babylon, and a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, at the end of the Christian Dispensation.
“The Praeterist School, founded by the Jesuit Alcazar in 1614, explains the
Revelation by the Fall of Jerusalem [in 70 A.D.], or by the fall of Pagan Rome in 410
A.D.”


435 posted on 03/06/2021 4:15:23 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

34But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:34-40

These, Phil, are the commandments Jesus said we are to obey. If we can obey these two, we need not worry about any others.


436 posted on 03/06/2021 4:36:23 PM PST by Flaming Conservative ((Pray without ceasing);)
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To: metmom

Doesn’t seem to matter how many times this is shown from Scripture there will always be those whose PRIDE prevents them from accepting it. We can lead a horse to water but we can’t make him drink. The Holy Spirit’s job is to cause the horse to recognize he’s thirsty and that right in front of him is the water but he still has to decide to drink it.


437 posted on 03/06/2021 4:55:56 PM PST by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums

Adding anything to Grace or After Grace is making Grace conditional. The lost cannot see that because of ‘pride blinders’, unless the Holy Spirit convicts them.


438 posted on 03/06/2021 5:00:34 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Hootowl; metmom
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:1-3)
439 posted on 03/06/2021 5:01:23 PM PST by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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To: boatbums

Jesus introduced a mystery, the Church Age would end with Him coming to get those His Spirit births from above!


440 posted on 03/06/2021 5:14:28 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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