Posted on 10/13/2020 4:56:53 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
I’m definitely and even back in 2003 was against the second war in Iraq. I seriously believed then and do now that the better option would have been to go into Pakistan and wipe that country off the map. Instead we had two wars in parallel.
Not only was I for a 2nd front (not war) against Iran, wmd or no wmd, but when Turkey refused a northern attack, I was for going though Syria instead for a bonus. No place to hide wmd. I would have brought all Islam down from the center out and we wouldn’t even be talking about it today except in the past tense.
Thank you for the civilized discussion. It’s too easy for these online what-ifs to descend into slur-slinging matches.
The thing is - Syria, I believe is a secular protector of Christianity.
And Iran is not, imho, the nexus of Islamic problems — that lies in Saudi Arabia and Wahabbism. The 9/11 attackers, all the attacks on Western Europe and the USA and Beslan and Mumbai 2008 etc. were all Wahhabis from Saudi Arabia.
taking out Islam is laudable, but to do that is to nuke Makkah
No doubt. But SA could be knocked over at any time without any strategic planning. With Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan blown to smithereens, it could have been done without a further fight. The Muslim Apocalypse has Dajjal marching on Mecca, stopped only by angels. Let ‘em try.
Wrong. The Koran says Allah is the best of deceivers . The Bible says that is Satan.
“Semantics? Is that your problem? That’s sick.”
I don’t have a problem with semantics or language. You do.
Not everyone on the planet speaks English. It was God who determined that. He is not called God in every language. He determined that also.
YOU are the one who is letting Islam dictate who God is, and as a result you just called God Satan, even though it is apparent you did so ignorantly.
The solution is for YOU to fix YOUR ignorance rather than blaming the messenger.
“Unlearner, that is partially incorrect. Illah is the Arabic word for ‘God’. Al-illah is the word or title for ‘the God’. Or for ‘the god’.”
Arabic speaking Jews on Pentecost heard things proclaimed about God in their own language according to Acts 2:11 where they declared, “Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” What word for God do you suppose the Arabic speaking Jews heard?
The answer to that question is fairly simple to anyone who is honest: Allah. That is the title for God in Arabic. It predates Islam and even predates our English equivalent.
Arabic speaking Jews and Christians today, including those tortured and martyred for Christ by Muslim terrorists, call God by His proper Arabic title: Allah.
“Wrong. The Koran says Allah is the best of deceivers . The Bible says that is Satan.”
So you intend to correct my facts with the Koran? And you’re using the Koran to interpret the Bible?
The Bible, in Arabic, throughout, calls God “Allah”.
If the Mormon Bible says God is a deceiver, would you also cite the Mormon Bible and declare that God is Satan?
Because, that is what you’ve essentially argued.
Take a look at an actual Arabic Bible and see for yourself:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts+2%3A11&version=ERV-AR;NKJV
If you look at the second to last line, the second word, from right to left (as that is how Arabic is read), you’ll be able to spot the Arabic word for God.
Arabic as a language didn't exist in the 1st century. It dates to the 6th century or maybe even the 5th
It's ancestor (may be direct or more likely an "aunt language") Nabatean existed at that time
I'm not really sure what is the Nabatean word for the God, but it would be some relationship to El/Al
So to the point, during Pentecost, the Jews from "arabia" would be speaking either Nabatean or a south semitic language (the languages of Yemen), so what word they would have heard? well, firstly they wouldn't have heard God saying "The God", but more like "the lord" and it wouldn't have been Al-illah
"predates our english equivalent" - the english equivalent of Allah would be "The God" not "God".
The Arabic Christians use the word Allah, while Assyrians use the Assyrian word Elaha
“Arabic as a language didn’t exist in the 1st century. It dates to the 6th century or maybe even the 5th
It’s ancestor (may be direct or more likely an ‘aunt language’) Nabatean existed at that time
I’m not really sure what is the Nabatean word for the God, but it would be some relationship to El/Al”
The Nabatean Kingdom was not part of the Roman Empire until early second century and the language would probably be Old Arabic. Hismaic inscriptions of the same era document prayers to God using the word “Allat”.
Like all languages, pronunciations and spellings change over time. But we do have written records that show a continuity from Old Arabic to Arabic. Our English equivalent probably came from the Germanic deity Geats which became Gaut which became God in English, Gott in modern German, etc.
So, yes, the first century Arabic equivalent to the modern Allah was probably a sight variation which is not preserved for us in a written record, but Allah was not some newly invented deity that arrived with Islam.
People are hardwired to believe in a Supreme Deity. The Supreme Deity has different titles in different languages. Islam has bad theology about who the Supreme Deity is, but it does not follow that their title for God is the wrong one in Arabic.
It is proper to argue that Islam does not truly follow/worship/represent “Allah” or the Supreme Deity we call “God” in English. It is not proper to call Allah Satan, as Allah is not a term exclusive to Islam.
Also, let's be very specific - it is a title, just like Ba'al. It isn't the name of God like YHWH or Jesus/Y'shua. Ba'al as a title (for the god Hadad) is taken by Satan as a title - Baalzebub (Bezelbub) and so too is the title Al-illah imho
“Just to point out again, unlearner — the Arabic word for god is ‘illah’ The Arabic word for ‘the god’ is Al-illah i.e. Allah”
The bottom line is that it is indefensible to say Allah is Satan. Words have meanings. If a person wants to critique Islam as being Satanic, so be it. The story that is the basis of this thread certainly gives credence to that argument.
Over the past few centuries there have been times when Protestants and Catholics burned people at the stake in the name of Jesus. Jews were also persecuted, and Jews have persecuted Christians in the name of God. But most Christians would take offense to someone saying Jesus is Satan because of evil things people did in His name. Nor would we decide to rename Jesus to something else in order to appease such critics.
I responded to an ignorant comment. It’s something I’ve seen pop up here time and again over the years. It’s foolishness that deserves to be corrected.
on thinking about it, you are correct, the phrase “To say Allah is Satan” is incorrect.
The better term would be “The Mohammaden god is not the Judeo-Christian god but is Satan”
the reason why I (in capitals) call the Mohammedan god as Satan is not because of the actions of the followers but because of the description of the deity as in the Quran and more specifically the Hadiths (al-Muslim mostly)
The Muslim Shahada, profession of faith, if truthfully stated would be as follows:
There is no Allah but Satan, and Muhammad was his murdering pedophile.
You have to remember Muhammed was sold to an old Jewess as a child and spent his formative years as a caretaker at the moon rock before being banished to Medina. I’m not sure Islam has an equivalent of Satan in strict accord with their monotheism. The closest I could find was a reference to the “whisperer” but Islamic scholars think it was a jinn he was referring to.
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