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People leaving German church at record rate
The Tablet ^ | July 1, 2020 | Christa Pongratz-Lippitt

Posted on 07/07/2020 8:36:53 AM PDT by ebb tide

Germans leaving Church at record rate

Bishop Georg Bätzing of Limburg, the newly elected chairman of the German Bishops’ Conference, at a press conference on his election this year.
Michael Debets/Zuma Press/PA Images

The German bishops’ conference announced on Friday that a record 272,771 people left the country's Catholic Church in 2019. The number represented an increase of more than 56,000 on the 216,000 who left in 2018, and exceeds by a large margin the previous record of 218,000 leaving in 2014. 

The figures are part of a growing countrywide exodus from the Christian Churches. The German Protestant Church saw a similar loss of members, with 270,000 people ending their membership in 2019, an increase of 22 per cent on the previous year. The figures in Germany are easy to record, because those leaving officially opt out of the otherwise compulsory church tax.

The chairman of the German Bishops’ Conference, Bishop Georg Bätzing of Limburg, said the statistics could not be made to look good in any way and that the sharp drop in baptism and wedding ceremonies that was also recorded showed the “erosion of a personal attachment to the Church” particularly clearly.

Around 27 per cent of Germans are still tax-paying Catholics, and 25 per cent tax-paying Protestants, which accounts for the continuing wealth of the Churches, but the relentless erosion of these funds year by year is taking its financial toll, while the spiritual toll on the individuals and the Churches is immeasurable.

Perhaps as a reflection of these changing circumstances, the bishops’ conference descended into a bitter row last week over the future of the country’s seminaries. 

In the past nearly every German diocese, with the exception of the east German dioceses, had its own seminary. In recent years, in view of the steady decline in the number of priests – over the last 13 years, the number of new priests in Germany has been well below 100 nationwide – the possibility of widespread amalgamation has come to the fore. 

However, a draft for seminary realignment presented by the bishops’ conference has sparked more criticism than approval. The criticism comes above all from those locations whose seminaries would be closed such as Cologne and Regensburg but also from the theological faculties at state universities, whose existence, due to concordats, is usually closely linked to priestly formation.

Meanwhile Bishop Bätzing, who was elected president of the bishops’ conference in March, paid his inaugural visit to Pope Francis on 28 June.

He and the Pope had had an “intensive, collegial talk”, Bätzing said on his return. “The Pope’s heart is with us in Germany.” He was watching the synodal procedure for church reform very attentively and “wants us to make headway”, Bätzing said.

Francis was most concerned about the rise of nationalism in Europe and elsewhere in the world. He was fully acquainted with the right-wing nationalist German political party, Alternative for Germany. The Pope had brought up the subject himself and it was obvious that he was clearly “pro Europe”. He hoped for positive signals in that direction now that Germany was taking over the EU presidency in July, he had told Bätzing.


TOPICS: Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: church; francisbishops; francischism; germans; germany
He and the Pope had had an “intensive, collegial talk”, Bätzing said on his return. “The Pope’s heart is with us in Germany.” He was watching the synodal procedure for church reform very attentively and “wants us to make headway”, Bätzing said.
1 posted on 07/07/2020 8:36:53 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 07/07/2020 8:38:51 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Your Pope is an idiot that reads Marx instead of a Bible. They are not leaving Church, the church left them for THEY are the Church.


3 posted on 07/07/2020 8:45:19 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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Add to all of this the lockdowns that the Bishops embraced, wholeheartedly . Now, they are realizing that when they betray their parishioners and leave the decisions to attend church, or not, up to the communistically inspired leaders this is the result.


4 posted on 07/07/2020 8:50:40 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: ebb tide

Oh, he’s consulting the Pope...

Maybe the Germans are just deciding to ditch the middle man and join the communist party directly.


5 posted on 07/07/2020 8:53:05 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (That thing you think is privilege is really sweat equity.)
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To: ebb tide
Everytime the church lurches more towards moral relativism and soft dogma it hemorrhages congregation. It should be obvious to the heirrchy that the more they declare that they church is just another left wing lobbying group with no particularly special truths larger than the politics of the moment, the more people say 'so what do I need you for then'? Certainly the congregations see it pretty clearly and are voting with their feet.

But the clergy misses it or, perhaps more likely, doesn't care because I honestly believe that a huge amount of them are gay agnostics (at best, atheists at worst) that put politics WAY above faith.

6 posted on 07/07/2020 8:53:16 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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Francis was most concerned about the rise of nationalism in Europe and elsewhere in the world. He was fully acquainted with the right-wing nationalist German political party, Alternative for Germany. The Pope had brought up the subject himself and it was obvious that he was clearly “pro Europe”. He hoped for positive signals in that direction now that Germany was taking over the EU presidency in July, he had told Bätzing.

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Batzing: “Holy Father, the Laity are abandoning the Faith in droves.”

Bergoglio: “Nevermind that! Nations are reasserting their sovereignty! How can we stop this crisis!”


7 posted on 07/07/2020 8:54:28 AM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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8 posted on 07/07/2020 8:55:35 AM PDT by deadrock (<img src="WIDTH420WIDTH420.jpeg" width="420">)
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To: ebb tide

This is what happens when they avoid the Gospel.


9 posted on 07/07/2020 9:31:51 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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the liberal german churches are dying. but not the conservative ones.
(liberal in this case means that they have a low view of christ. conservative here means they have a high view of christ.)


10 posted on 07/07/2020 9:32:51 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ebb tide

Looks like Frankie’s plan is succeeding.


11 posted on 07/07/2020 9:40:57 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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It’d be helpful if Christian churches actually preached, y’know, Christian doctrine.


12 posted on 07/07/2020 9:43:54 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Dear Mr. Kotter, #Epsteindidntkillhimself - Signed, Epstein's Mother)
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"the liberal german churches are dying. but not the conservative ones"

Exactly. That's what's happening all over the western world.

13 posted on 07/07/2020 10:22:22 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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