Posted on 04/23/2020 8:25:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
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I was roman catholic half my life.
Plenty of priests were family friends, mom worked as church secretary. Got to know priests as actual people and family friends.
More than one believed muslims will go to heaven because of their so-called love of Mary. While at the same time unsure they were going to heaven. Apart from incorrectly believing in purgatory, they believe they could still screw something up in purgatory and not go to heaven.
These were senior priests, in charge of a parish.
They think muslims are going to heaven while they don’t know, and these guys are supposedly the ‘leaders’ of the flock.
It’s not a wonder the roman church is in such a mess in more ways than one.
When you are stuck in a works-based religion you have no certain hope.
bttt
Interesting article.
Seems to be so true about the actions of todays church.
The fact that Mary told them when to publish it kind of says to me she saw they wouldn’t.
I highly doubt it; the Blessed Mother is not omniscient, but She did warn us.
I don’t mean she’s omniscient, but she recognized the danger of the very people in charge of the letter and their being the ones who would rather not let on who they really are.
She gave ample notice, 43 years, and multiple popes deferred. It was up to “St” John XXIII in 1960 and he failed miserably.
Bingo!
Vatican II, which spelled the end of all respect for the sanctity of the Roman Catholic Church: Priests and Nuns now wore regular street clothes in many cases, couldn’t tell a Nun from anybody else since they didn’t have to wear habits anymore, Father William Smith could now be slapped on the back and called Father Bill, guitar Masses everywhere, no more Latin Masses, priests had to face the congregation and speak in the local language, no more sanctity of the consecrated host (you could even hold it in your hand and bite, chew, whatever, the holy host), lay people could hand out communion (was at an Ohio wedding where the altar girl passed out communion), women as altar boys, one could have a Big Mac just before going to Communion (what happened to those people in Hell who were there on a meat rap?), seminaries lowered their standards for priesthood (then came the homosexuals), priests and nuns portrayed as stupid clowns in most movies (Woopie Goodlbert had to teach the nuns how to sing), heretical popes (especially the current one), (should I go on?)
Once baptized you are a Catholic for your entire life, not just half your life.
You can come back anytime. Just sit down with a good priest and get your questions answered.
Thanks, I’m good.
“Faith without works is dead.”
In regard to your “certain hope”, might want to look up the sin of presumption.
What questions did he ask that need answering?
That’s mighty presumptuous of you to presume to know that he has questions that need answering when he didn’t ask any.
Faith is not presumption.
It's taking God at His word and believing that He'll do as He promised.
Besides, the *sin* of presumption is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture. It's a completely fabricated concept by Catholicism to convince Catholics that they can't trust God but need to have some religious organization that fancies itself a church to get to Him.
If the people know they could trust God to do as He said, they wouldn't need a religion and Catholicism would put itself out of a job by letting people know they are secure in GOD'S hands.
Telling them that trusting God is presumption and a sin is great job security for all those priests etc. It forces the masses to be dependent on Catholicism for their eternal destiny instead of depending on Jesus.
they believe they could still screw something up in purgatory and not go to heaven
things that are manifestly contrary to Catholic doctrine, and you left because of that? That's equivalent to deciding that mathematics is garbage because the math students and some of the math professors at your local college are incompetent.
Where in God's Word is metmom's salvation specifically promised? I don't mean a general promise, show me where you are called out by name.
Catholics can have a moral certitude of their own salvation. It's not an infallible one, because it's not promised in the Deposit of Faith. You can't be sola scriptura and then insist that you are infallibly saved. That's putting faith in something not explicitly written in Scripture.
Besides, the *sin* of presumption is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture.
The sin of presumption is the sin of believing that God is obligated to be merciful to you even though you keep sinning gravely and are not sorry for your sins. Do you believe that? If you do, I suggest you read 2 Peter 2, with special attention to verses 20-22. That text is describing nothing if it isn't describing the sin of presumption.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
If my name were specifically in Scripture, then I still couldn't be sure He meant me because there are others with my name as well.
*Whoever* and *whosoever* covers it all and does not need to name names.
I'd rather be called presumptuous by men who are jealous of my security in Christ than call God a liar by disbelieving the promises He made in His word.
Besides, Catholicism cannot even guarantee a place in heaven, so why should any one even bother? What would be the point of all that work and sacrifice all life long just to find out AFTER you died that you missed the mark anyways?
If you as a Catholic are not sure you are going to heaven, then why are you a Catholic?
Also, it is NOT presumption to be confident of our standing in Christ. God wants us to know.
I John 5:10-15 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
Without religion YOU are able to worship the way YOU want, that is not God’s design.
The Jews had religion which was established by God. They had priests who were consecrated (set-apart), offering sacrifice and ritual for the forgivness of sin, and so do Catholics. The Jews failed to follow and accept Him, so a new religion was established. He did NOT throw out His design!
Jesus said to His priests, “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” [John 20:23]. That is His design. You don’t get to change that.
To presume your sins are forgiven, without using His design, is beyond dangerous.
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