Posted on 04/23/2020 8:25:15 PM PDT by ebb tide
April 22, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – In a stunning new interview, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the former papal nuncio in Washington, D.C. and the prelate who accused Pope Francis of covering up the crimes of Theodore McCarrick, has now publicly stated that he does not believe that the Vatican up to today has published the full Third Secret of Fatima. This report has already found interest in Italy, by outlets such as Corrispondenza Romana and Stilum Curiae.
Speaking to Dies Irae, a Portuguese website, Archbishop Viganò says, “The third part of the message that Our Lady entrusted to the shepherds of Fatima, so that they could deliver it to the Holy Father, remains a secret today.”
In 1917, Our Lady repeatedly appeared to three shepherd children – two of whom are now canonized – and gave them one secret with three parts, the first and the second to be revealed to the public.
The third part of the Secret – often called the Third Secret – was to be given to the Pope, who was then asked by Our Lady to make it known to the world not later than 1960.
The first and the second parts of the Secret show a vision of hell, speak about the spread of the “errors” of Russia, the need for penance, and for Russia to be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. The third part as it has been published shows a Pope who is being killed on a hill, together with clergymen and laymen.
Further explaining his position, the Italian prelate, who lives currently in an undisclosed location, then says, “Our Lady asked [the secret] to be revealed in 1960, but John XXIII published, on February 8 of that year, a statement in which he stated that [...] ‘he does not want to assume the responsibility of guaranteeing the truth of the words that the three little shepherds say that the Virgin Mary addressed to them.’”
“With this departure from the Queen of Heaven's message,” Viganò continues, “a cover-up operation was initiated, evidently because the content of the message would reveal the terrible conspiracy of her enemies against the Church of Christ.”
According to the archbishop, until a “few decades ago,” people would not have believed that we could even dare to “gag” the Blessed Mother, “but in recent years we have also seen attempts to censor the Gospel itself, which is the Word of His divine Son.”
The Italian prelate states that the Vatican, when officially presenting the Third Secret to the public in 2000, presented an “incomplete” version.
He says:
“In 2000, during the Pontificate of John Paul II, the Secretary of State, Cardinal Sodano, presented as his Third Secret a version of himself that, in relation to some elements, appeared clearly incomplete. It is not surprising that the new Secretary of State, Cardinal Bertone, tried to divert attention on an event of the past, in order to make believe to the people of God that the words of the Virgin had nothing to do with the crisis of the Church and with the collusion between Modernists and Freemasonry carried out behind the scenes of Vatican II.”
Archbishop Viganò is referring then to the Italian journalist and author Antonio Socci, “who has thoroughly investigated the Third Secret, [and] has unmasked this malicious behavior on the part of Cardinal Bertone.”
Socci published in 2006 (in English in 2009) his book The Fourth Secret of Fatima, in which he argues that the Vatican did not publish the full Third Secret as it had been given to the shepherd children in Fatima in 1917. According to his research, the Vatican only published the vision of the secret which was then further explained by Our Lady. These words explaining the vision are still missing, according to this author.
Archbishop Viganò, in his new interview, seems to follow this line of argument. He also insists that the full consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary – as it had been requested by Our Lady of Fatima – has not taken place, either.
He says:
“Let us not forget Our Lady’s ignored call for the Pope and all the Bishops to consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart, as a condition for defeating Communism and atheistic materialism: consecrating not ‘the world’, not ‘that nation that She wants Let us consecrate him’, but ‘Russia’. Did it cost so much to do it? Evidently so, for those who do not have a supernatural look.”
Instead of following Heaven's request, the prelate says, the Vatican wanted to take a peaceful approach with the Soviet regime, a “path of detente,” which had been “inaugurated precisely by Roncalli, without understanding that without God no peace is possible.”
“Today,” Viganò adds, “with a President of the Russian Confederation who is certainly a Christian [Vladimiar Putin], the Virgin's request could be granted, avoiding further misfortunes for the Church and the world.”
LifeSiteNews reported in 2017 on a statement made by the German curial cardinal Paul Josef Cordes, who gave testimony to the fact that Pope John Paul II, in 1984, did not explicitly mention the name of Russia when consecrating the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Cordes stated that the Pope “had made this act of consecration on 23 [sic – 25] March 1984, when the statue of Our Lady of Fatima had come to Rome. However, he held back to mention Russia explicitly; because the Vatican diplomats had urgently asked him not to mention this country because otherwise political conflicts might perhaps arise.”
Archbishop Viganò further explains that in the 1960s – exactly the time when Our Lady wanted to have the Third Secret made public – the apostasy that we are currently witnessing began. It is also the time when the Second Vatican Council took place, from 1962 to 1965.
The prelate says in his new interview that the message of the Third Secret is still valid for us today. Before we consider Viganò's words, let us remember that in May 2010, on his way back to Rome from his visit in Fatima, Pope Benedict XVI said about the Fatima message that “there is also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church come not only from without, but the sufferings of the Church come precisely from within the Church, from the sin existing within the Church.”
He continued, “This too is something that we have always known, but today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way: that the greatest persecution of the Church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from sin within the Church, and that the Church thus has a deep need to relearn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness on the one hand, but also the need for justice.”
The Pope then insisted that the message of Fatima is still valid for our time when he said: “We would be mistaken to think that Fatima's prophetic mission is complete.”
Viganò' states the following:
“Benedict XVI himself confirmed the timeliness of the Virgin's message, although – according to the interpretation spread by the Vatican – it must be considered fulfilled. Those who read the Third Secret clearly said that its content concerns the apostasy of the Church, which began precisely in the early sixties and that today it has reached a stage so evident that it can be recognized by secular observers. This almost obsessive insistence on issues that the Church has always condemned, such as relativism and religious indifference, false ecumenism, Malthusian ecologism, homo-heresy and immigration, found in the Abu Dhabi Declaration the fulfillment of a plan devised by the secret sects since more than two centuries ago.”
Here, the prelate makes an explicit reference to Freemasonry, which centuries ago developed plans on how to destroy the Catholic Church from within, by undermining her very own teachings and customs. Many of these historical matters are outlined in a recent book by Dr. Taylor Marshall, called Infiltration. This book had been supported by Bishop Athanasius Schneider, who authored a foreword for it.
Archbishop Viganò speaks of a “new church” that has been developed in the recent decades, a church that is “simply not the Church of Christ!”
He adds that “the post-conciliar, Modernist and Masonic church also aspires to transform, to overcome the Church of Christ, replacing it with a ‘neo-Church’, a deformed and monstrous creature that does not come from God.”
“The aim of this neo-Church,” Viganò continues, “is not to lead the chosen people to recognize the Messiah, as [with] the Synagogue; it is not to convert and save all peoples before the second coming of Christ, as for the Catholic Church, but to constitute themselves as a spiritual arm of the New World Order and defender of Universal Religion.”
It is in this sense that, according to this Italian archbishop, “the conciliar revolution had to first demolish the Church's legacy, its millenary Tradition, from which it extracted its own vitality and authority as the Mystical Body of Christ, to later get rid of the exponents of the ancient Hierarchy, and only recently began to propose yourself, without pretense, to what it wants to be.”
It was Bishop Athanasius Schneider who, in 2019 in his book Christus Vincit, also raised critical questions and doubts about some select elements of the teachings of the Second Vatican Council that seem to go along with the words of Archbishop Viganò.
Speaking further about the Freemasonic plan to weaken and undermine the Catholic Church from within, Archbishop Viganò says that many bishops might not even be aware of these dangerous developments. He states:
“What you call utopia is actually a dystopia, because it represents the realization of Freemasonry's plan and the preparation of the advent of Antichrist. I am also convinced that the majority of my Brothers, and even more so, almost all priests and the faithful, are not aware of this hellish plan at all, and that recent events have opened the eyes of many.”
With this interview, Archbishop Viganò invites us to debate several key issues that have troubled many Catholics in the recent past and that have left many wondering how it could have happened that the Church lost so much of her moral integrity (see for example the McCarrick scandal) and missionary zeal. Even Pope Benedict XVI said in 2016:
“The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.”
Since publication of this article, Robert Moynihan has published a full translation of the interview here.
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I was roman catholic half my life.
Plenty of priests were family friends, mom worked as church secretary. Got to know priests as actual people and family friends.
More than one believed muslims will go to heaven because of their so-called love of Mary. While at the same time unsure they were going to heaven. Apart from incorrectly believing in purgatory, they believe they could still screw something up in purgatory and not go to heaven.
These were senior priests, in charge of a parish.
They think muslims are going to heaven while they don’t know, and these guys are supposedly the ‘leaders’ of the flock.
It’s not a wonder the roman church is in such a mess in more ways than one.
When you are stuck in a works-based religion you have no certain hope.
bttt
Interesting article.
Seems to be so true about the actions of todays church.
The fact that Mary told them when to publish it kind of says to me she saw they wouldn’t.
I highly doubt it; the Blessed Mother is not omniscient, but She did warn us.
I don’t mean she’s omniscient, but she recognized the danger of the very people in charge of the letter and their being the ones who would rather not let on who they really are.
She gave ample notice, 43 years, and multiple popes deferred. It was up to “St” John XXIII in 1960 and he failed miserably.
Bingo!
Vatican II, which spelled the end of all respect for the sanctity of the Roman Catholic Church: Priests and Nuns now wore regular street clothes in many cases, couldn’t tell a Nun from anybody else since they didn’t have to wear habits anymore, Father William Smith could now be slapped on the back and called Father Bill, guitar Masses everywhere, no more Latin Masses, priests had to face the congregation and speak in the local language, no more sanctity of the consecrated host (you could even hold it in your hand and bite, chew, whatever, the holy host), lay people could hand out communion (was at an Ohio wedding where the altar girl passed out communion), women as altar boys, one could have a Big Mac just before going to Communion (what happened to those people in Hell who were there on a meat rap?), seminaries lowered their standards for priesthood (then came the homosexuals), priests and nuns portrayed as stupid clowns in most movies (Woopie Goodlbert had to teach the nuns how to sing), heretical popes (especially the current one), (should I go on?)
Once baptized you are a Catholic for your entire life, not just half your life.
You can come back anytime. Just sit down with a good priest and get your questions answered.
Thanks, I’m good.
“Faith without works is dead.”
In regard to your “certain hope”, might want to look up the sin of presumption.
What questions did he ask that need answering?
That’s mighty presumptuous of you to presume to know that he has questions that need answering when he didn’t ask any.
Faith is not presumption.
It's taking God at His word and believing that He'll do as He promised.
Besides, the *sin* of presumption is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture. It's a completely fabricated concept by Catholicism to convince Catholics that they can't trust God but need to have some religious organization that fancies itself a church to get to Him.
If the people know they could trust God to do as He said, they wouldn't need a religion and Catholicism would put itself out of a job by letting people know they are secure in GOD'S hands.
Telling them that trusting God is presumption and a sin is great job security for all those priests etc. It forces the masses to be dependent on Catholicism for their eternal destiny instead of depending on Jesus.
they believe they could still screw something up in purgatory and not go to heaven
things that are manifestly contrary to Catholic doctrine, and you left because of that? That's equivalent to deciding that mathematics is garbage because the math students and some of the math professors at your local college are incompetent.
Where in God's Word is metmom's salvation specifically promised? I don't mean a general promise, show me where you are called out by name.
Catholics can have a moral certitude of their own salvation. It's not an infallible one, because it's not promised in the Deposit of Faith. You can't be sola scriptura and then insist that you are infallibly saved. That's putting faith in something not explicitly written in Scripture.
Besides, the *sin* of presumption is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture.
The sin of presumption is the sin of believing that God is obligated to be merciful to you even though you keep sinning gravely and are not sorry for your sins. Do you believe that? If you do, I suggest you read 2 Peter 2, with special attention to verses 20-22. That text is describing nothing if it isn't describing the sin of presumption.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
If my name were specifically in Scripture, then I still couldn't be sure He meant me because there are others with my name as well.
*Whoever* and *whosoever* covers it all and does not need to name names.
I'd rather be called presumptuous by men who are jealous of my security in Christ than call God a liar by disbelieving the promises He made in His word.
Besides, Catholicism cannot even guarantee a place in heaven, so why should any one even bother? What would be the point of all that work and sacrifice all life long just to find out AFTER you died that you missed the mark anyways?
If you as a Catholic are not sure you are going to heaven, then why are you a Catholic?
Also, it is NOT presumption to be confident of our standing in Christ. God wants us to know.
I John 5:10-15 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.
And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
Without religion YOU are able to worship the way YOU want, that is not God’s design.
The Jews had religion which was established by God. They had priests who were consecrated (set-apart), offering sacrifice and ritual for the forgivness of sin, and so do Catholics. The Jews failed to follow and accept Him, so a new religion was established. He did NOT throw out His design!
Jesus said to His priests, “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” [John 20:23]. That is His design. You don’t get to change that.
To presume your sins are forgiven, without using His design, is beyond dangerous.
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