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To: Grey182; Secret Agent Man
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

Faith is not presumption.

It's taking God at His word and believing that He'll do as He promised.

Besides, the *sin* of presumption is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture. It's a completely fabricated concept by Catholicism to convince Catholics that they can't trust God but need to have some religious organization that fancies itself a church to get to Him.

If the people know they could trust God to do as He said, they wouldn't need a religion and Catholicism would put itself out of a job by letting people know they are secure in GOD'S hands.

Telling them that trusting God is presumption and a sin is great job security for all those priests etc. It forces the masses to be dependent on Catholicism for their eternal destiny instead of depending on Jesus.

16 posted on 04/24/2020 5:04:14 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: metmom
It's taking God at His word and believing that He'll do as He promised.

Where in God's Word is metmom's salvation specifically promised? I don't mean a general promise, show me where you are called out by name.

Catholics can have a moral certitude of their own salvation. It's not an infallible one, because it's not promised in the Deposit of Faith. You can't be sola scriptura and then insist that you are infallibly saved. That's putting faith in something not explicitly written in Scripture.

Besides, the *sin* of presumption is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture.

The sin of presumption is the sin of believing that God is obligated to be merciful to you even though you keep sinning gravely and are not sorry for your sins. Do you believe that? If you do, I suggest you read 2 Peter 2, with special attention to verses 20-22. That text is describing nothing if it isn't describing the sin of presumption.

18 posted on 04/24/2020 5:29:36 AM PDT by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: metmom

Without religion YOU are able to worship the way YOU want, that is not God’s design.

The Jews had religion which was established by God. They had priests who were consecrated (set-apart), offering sacrifice and ritual for the forgivness of sin, and so do Catholics. The Jews failed to follow and accept Him, so a new religion was established. He did NOT throw out His design!

Jesus said to His priests, “Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.” [John 20:23]. That is His design. You don’t get to change that.

To presume your sins are forgiven, without using His design, is beyond dangerous.


20 posted on 04/24/2020 8:22:09 AM PDT by Grey182 (A Catholic Bishop Emeritus is still a Bishop, a Pope Emeritus... 209.157.64.200)
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