Sola Scriptura Needs Sola Fide, and How to Refute Both

One Peter Five ^ | December 11, 2019 | Jacob Tate

[ealgeone]

We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 414). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

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But while I bring out by these proofs the truths of Scripture, and set forth briefly and compendiously things which are stated in various ways, do thou also attend to them with patience, and not deem them prolix; taking this into account, that proofs [of the things which are] contained in the Scriptures cannot be shown except from the Scriptures themselves.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 434). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

[ealgeone]

Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 417). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

[MHGinTN]

LOL, the floater speaks!

[ebb tide]

Hey, Mr. Sola Scriptura,

Irenaeus isn’t in Scripture.

[af_vet_1981]

Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 417). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

Irenaeus (/ɪrɪˈneɪəs/;[1] Greek: Εἰρηναῖος Eirēnaios; c. 130 – c. 202 AD)[2] was a Greek bishop ...

Evidence of Sacred tradition, ie., "the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us," implies one holy catholic and apostolic Church from the days of the Apostles until this day, and that communities which separated from the Church or arose independently of the Church and rejected the authority of the Church are outside the permanent tradition from the apostles.

[ealgeone]

True. Just posting to illustrate the traditions are in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.

[af_vet_1981]

Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.

Yes, there is one holy catholic and apostolic Church from days of the Apostles until this day and the Church has teaching authority of the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles. The Church Irenaeus of Lyons wrote about cannot have been re-constructed, re-formed, or re-created some 1400 years later and be the same Church.

[ealgeone]

And the tradition of the apostles is from and in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.

[af_vet_1981]

And the tradition of the apostles is from and in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.

... the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church ...

The one holy catholic apostolic Church, not Sola scriptura

[ealgeone]

If it’s grounded in Scripture it is. Rome cannot make that claim.

[af_vet_1981]

The adversary hates the one holy catholic apostolic Church.

[ealgeone]

Nope. Merely noting the tradition noted is grounded in and is only found in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.

[Luircin]

It’s amazing how much certain Catholics despise the actual words of the Apostles and prophets and God Himself.

The devil is pleased when people hate the Word.

[af_vet_1981]

The one holy catholic apostolic Church preceded the New Testament scriptures.

[Luircin]

Don’t care what you have to say. Go back to your empty caucus threads.

[metmom]

Maybe someone is cranky cause thye got a lump of coal in their stocking.