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Sola Scriptura Needs Sola Fide, and How to Refute Both
One Peter Five ^ | December 11, 2019 | Jacob Tate

Posted on 12/29/2019 1:57:07 PM PST by ebb tide

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To: imardmd1
As to the energy of a man's faith, let him have it between himself and God. Love is the ruler for the use of his liberty, if it is liberty, and not the bondage of disregarding. For the converse of this principle, when these observances are used to destroy liberty in Christ, see Galatians 4, where the apostle shews that, if the observance is taught as a principle, it is really turning back to Paganism.

I see.

781 posted on 01/16/2020 1:38:31 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
Both parties are presumed by the writer to be servants of Christ the Master. And contrary to the cited mis-translation (which in this chapter the NIV has an abundance), the focus is on the possible conduct of some individual, not a whole clique within a local church or between denominations, as the NIV suggests.

I'd like to see just WHAT he is referring to here.

782 posted on 01/16/2020 1:39:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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I wasn't referring to what Paul suggests, I was referring to what the NIV suggests.
783 posted on 01/16/2020 7:05:12 PM PST by imardmd1 (I'M A ReDeeMed 1 [Ps. 107:2])
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imardmd1: . . . cited mis-translation (which in this chapter the NIV has an abundance). . . (Post#780 referring to #778)

Elsie: I'd like to see just WHAT he is referring to here. (Post #782, referring to #780)

It is not Darby and his comment on the chaper that I was referring to, but rather to what you cited in #778, which is the rendering of the whole chapter by the NIV.

But regarding the single verse Romans 14:4,

συ τις ει ο κρινων αλλοτριον οικετην τω ιδιω κυριω στηκει η πιπτει σταθησεται δε δυνατος γαρ εστιν ο θεος στησαι αυτον (TR)

συ τις ει ο κρινων αλλοτριον οικετην τω ιδιω κυριω στηκει η πιπτει σταθησεται δε δυνατει γαρ ο κυριος στησαι αυτον (Westcott & Hort)

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (KJV/AV)

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? To his own lord he standeth or falleth. And he shall stand: for God is able to make him stand. (Douay-Rheims)

Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master[a] that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. (ESV)

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. (NIV)
Thew NIV translation is incorrect (although in this case, the interpretative paraphrase gives a clearer sense of the meaning as it would appear to the 1st century Greek speaker). That is, the servants of the Lord who are quibbling over matters non-essential to soteriological doctrine have the same standing before God, because it is God the Judge Who has already determined their destination.

What Paul does here regarding ceasing the quibbling over man-made customs does not give one an excuse for ignoring the duty to firmly confront and admonish when essential God-breathed doctrine is becoming corrupted and the Gospel message destroyed. And tht is what Paul does in other chapters of the book, where he treats the more important matters of law, grace, faith, salvation, justification, and sanctification.

784 posted on 01/16/2020 8:53:54 PM PST by imardmd1 (I'M A ReDeeMed 1 [Ps. 107:2])
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