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Sola Scriptura Needs Sola Fide, and How to Refute Both
One Peter Five ^ | December 11, 2019 | Jacob Tate

Posted on 12/29/2019 1:57:07 PM PST by ebb tide

Sola Scriptura Needs Sola Fide, and How to Refute Both

At the suggestion of Father Dave Nix, I recently read the short work by Joel Peters entitled “Scripture Alone? 21 Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura.” It is a fast read and probably the most crushing blow to Protestantism I have ever read. You simply cannot argue with Peters’s logic and the historical facts he presents (it is well sourced), not to mention all of the Scripture he cites. Having been a Protestant before converting to the Catholic Church, I was not shocked by anything I read, but I was delighted to have such well researched reasons to back up what I knew to be true: sola scriptura is an intellectual joke created by a man too proud to submit to the Church.

The back of the booklet states that it “[t]otally devastates one of the two pillars of Protestantism.” I want to show that those two pillars, sola scriptura and sola fide, are dependent on each other in such a way that devastating one pillar actually devastates both.

To do this, I want to focus on how Scripture alone is dependent on the doctrine of faith alone; you can easily work the other way as well, but that is for another time. To do this, we need to look at one of the twenty-one reasons Peters gives and how it relates to sola fide, or the teaching that we are saved through faith alone. The booklet explains that without a valid authority — the existence of which would violate Sola Scriptura — to codify and to protect the canon of Scripture, we end up with thousands of versions of the Bible. Many of these versions contain serious theological errors, such as the Jehovah’s Witness Bible [1] and any number of translations that use Luther’s additions and retractions (think adding the word “alone” to Romans 3:28 or removing 1 and 2 Maccabees as well as several other books, whether partial or whole).

I proposed this problem to an intelligent, well read, and faithful Presbyterian friend of mine. This is not the kind of Christian who just goes to church on Sunday and speaks in platitudes about “being saved.” This is the kind of Christian who can quote the Westminster Confession and probably knows more about the early history of the Church than your typical Novus Ordo parish priest. After a long discussion with him, it dawned on me that the only way to refute Peters’s point about the necessity of an outside authority to approve the Bible is to acknowledge that different translations or interpretations and the theological differences that follow do not actually matter.

I proposed to my friend that how we interpret the Bible really does affect our salvation because, for example, if one Christian believes that contraception is acceptable and the other does not, only one of them is truly living according to Scripture. I presented Peters’s argument and said that we cannot leave this matter up to each person because it results in thousands of interpretations and denominations that teach different things about what actions are sinful and what actions are not. We need an authority to tell us which Bible is correct and how to interpret its contents so we can live according to God’s laws, not Luther’s or Zwingli’s or Joseph Smith’s.

His response is what gave me the thesis for this article: “So you have a different view of faith from mine. Outside faith in Jesus Christ (sola fide) by grace alone (sola gratia) there is no salvation. Whether you and I agree or disagree on contraception is not a matter that divides us into believer or non-believer. Could one of us be in error? Yes! Could both of us be in error? Yes! The question [of contraception] is outside of believing in the person and work of Jesus Christ; this is not fundamentally a divide we need to overcome to be saved.”

It hit me like a ton of bricks! Protestants — or at least this one Protestant — do not care if you have different ideas about the morality of certain actions, because to the Protestant, actions do not matter. You can insert any moral question in the place of contraception, and the answer would be the same. The Protestant needs the teaching of faith alone to justify the teaching of Scripture alone and to get around this particular refutation that an outside authority is needed. Sola scriptura is entirely dependent on sola fide. It is manifestly obvious to anyone and everyone that there are countless translations and interpretations of the Bible, so the Protestant has to say this does not matter and that each believer is free to interpret Scripture how they choose and then to live accordingly. And the only way to justify millions of people having different opinions on how to live and what constitutes sin and immorality is to say that their actions do not matter, only their faith in Christ. See how the defense of sola scriptura is just to resort to sola fide? One pillar depends on the other.

Obviously, sola scriptura falls flat and is gravely mistaken, but by destroying its merits so systematically, Joel Peters also destroyed the other pillar of Protestantism because of their inherent interdependence. The two pillars of Protestantism are illogical, and it is so much easier to prove than I ever imagined. The circle of defending one with the other fails, because they are both easily disprovable with Scripture and basic logic, as Mr. Peters aptly demonstrates in his other twenty reasons.


[1] From footnote 32 of the book, which concerns the Bible of the Jehovah’s Witnesses: “Of the numerous examples which could be cited, space considerations confine us to just a few to illustrate the point. In John 1:1, the NWT reads, “… and the Word was a god” rather than “and the Word was God,” because Witnesses deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. In Colossians 1:15-20, the NWT inserts the word “other” into the text four times because Witnesses believe that Jesus Christ Himself was created. In Matthew 26:26 the NWT reads “… this means my body…” instead of “This is my body,” because Witnesses deny the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist[.]”



TOPICS: Apologetics; Theology
KEYWORDS: fssp; hoaxes; occna; occus; oneflowmind; popefrancis; popesays; romancatholic; solafide; solascriptura; splinter; toccusa
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To: af_vet_1981
We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 414). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

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But while I bring out by these proofs the truths of Scripture, and set forth briefly and compendiously things which are stated in various ways, do thou also attend to them with patience, and not deem them prolix; taking this into account, that proofs [of the things which are] contained in the Scriptures cannot be shown except from the Scriptures themselves.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 434). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

61 posted on 12/29/2019 6:36:15 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981
Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 417). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.

62 posted on 12/29/2019 6:38:14 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

LOL, the floater speaks!


64 posted on 12/29/2019 6:52:54 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ealgeone

Hey, Mr. Sola Scriptura,

Irenaeus isn’t in Scripture.


65 posted on 12/29/2019 6:52:55 PM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone
Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.

Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 417). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.


Irenaeus (/ɪrɪˈneɪəs/;[1] Greek: Εἰρηναῖος Eirēnaios; c. 130 – c. 202 AD)[2] was a Greek bishop ...

Evidence of Sacred tradition, ie., "the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us," implies one holy catholic and apostolic Church from the days of the Apostles until this day, and that communities which separated from the Church or arose independently of the Church and rejected the authority of the Church are outside the permanent tradition from the apostles.
67 posted on 12/29/2019 7:00:43 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: ebb tide

True. Just posting to illustrate the traditions are in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.


68 posted on 12/29/2019 7:09:59 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Since, therefore, the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church, and is permanent among us, let us revert to the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles who did also write the Gospel, in which they recorded the doctrine regarding God, pointing out that our Lord Jesus Christ is the truth, and that no lie is in Him.

Yes, there is one holy catholic and apostolic Church from days of the Apostles until this day and the Church has teaching authority of the Scriptural proof furnished by those apostles. The Church Irenaeus of Lyons wrote about cannot have been re-constructed, re-formed, or re-created some 1400 years later and be the same Church.
69 posted on 12/29/2019 7:10:17 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

And the tradition of the apostles is from and in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.


70 posted on 12/29/2019 7:11:18 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
And the tradition of the apostles is from and in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.

... the tradition from the apostles does thus exist in the Church ...

The one holy catholic apostolic Church, not Sola scriptura
71 posted on 12/29/2019 7:13:55 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

If it’s grounded in Scripture it is. Rome cannot make that claim.


72 posted on 12/29/2019 7:15:26 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

The adversary hates the one holy catholic apostolic Church.


74 posted on 12/29/2019 7:17:09 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: ebb tide

Nope. Merely noting the tradition noted is grounded in and is only found in Scripture. Sola Scriptura.


75 posted on 12/29/2019 7:19:12 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

It’s amazing how much certain Catholics despise the actual words of the Apostles and prophets and God Himself.

The devil is pleased when people hate the Word.


76 posted on 12/29/2019 7:20:44 PM PST by Luircin
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To: ealgeone

The one holy catholic apostolic Church preceded the New Testament scriptures.


77 posted on 12/29/2019 7:22:57 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: ebb tide

Don’t care what you have to say. Go back to your empty caucus threads.


79 posted on 12/29/2019 8:32:18 PM PST by Luircin
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To: Luircin

Maybe someone is cranky cause thye got a lump of coal in their stocking.


80 posted on 12/29/2019 8:33:52 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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