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"I knew my brother was suffering." ~ Ancient Roots of the Doctrine of Purgatory, Part I
Gloria Romanorum ^ | Florentius

Posted on 11/02/2019 8:30:32 AM PDT by Antoninus

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To: cloudmountain

No, I am not a member of that group...Had I been around back in 1100 AD however, I likely would have been one of them...


141 posted on 11/03/2019 3:48:15 PM PST by Iscool
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To: elbook

Divine Justice require Just punishment.


Isn’t that what Jesus did?


142 posted on 11/03/2019 3:56:54 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
You could have gone through a Roman Catholic seminary and not learned Bible Study.

I take it that you really have no idea of the course of study at a Catholic seminary. Here is the required Scripture courses at St. John's Seminary in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles:

Additional electives: In addition, courses in Moral Theology and Systematic Theology are heavily dependent on Scripture. After graduation and ordination, some priests go on for further doctoral studies in Scripture.

I await your apology.

143 posted on 11/03/2019 3:58:29 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

No apology.

I surveyed a handful of catholic seminary curriculum, and stand by what I wrote. Each word chosen purposefully to show what I found.

Including what you posted.


144 posted on 11/03/2019 4:35:34 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Petrosius

After graduation and ordination, some priests go on for further doctoral studies in Scripture.


That means nothing and may be the problem whether RC or P.


145 posted on 11/03/2019 4:39:19 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Iscool
Paul's intention is to immediately be with Jesus Christ the moment he sheds his body at death...

+1

146 posted on 11/03/2019 5:05:00 PM PST by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: SkyDancer
My Catholic friends say you “ask” Mary to intercede with her Son for you.

Wouldn’t that otherwise be called necromancy?

147 posted on 11/03/2019 5:07:53 PM PST by Mark17 (Once saved, always saved. I do not care if some do not like that. It will NEVER be my problem)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Please list the Catholic seminaries that do not require courses on Scripture for a four year M.Div. degree. This is the basic degree needed for ordination to the priesthood. You may be confused by pre-theology courses (prerequisites for entering the M.Div. program) or stand alone specialty degrees that are offered in addition to the M.Div. degree or independently to the laity. All M.Div. programs require multiple courses on Scripture.


148 posted on 11/03/2019 5:11:55 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: PeterPrinciple

We could honestly debate the quality of any Scripture course for either Catholics or Protestants, but to say that someone can be ordained to the Catholic priesthood without being required to study Scripture is simply false.


149 posted on 11/03/2019 5:14:20 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Please list the Catholic seminaries that do not require courses on Scripture for a four year M.Div. degree.

It is not that they have no courses - nor did I say so.

It is the lack of courses in Bible and Bible Study compared to the totality of the degree program.

150 posted on 11/03/2019 5:15:19 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Petrosius
but to say that someone can be ordained to the Catholic priesthood without being required to study Scripture is simply false.

Straw man. No one said that.

151 posted on 11/03/2019 5:16:06 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mark17

Don’t know.


152 posted on 11/03/2019 5:19:18 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
but to say that someone can be ordained to the Catholic priesthood without being required to study Scripture is simply false.

Straw man. No one said that.

Your post #103: You could have gone through a Roman Catholic seminary and not learned Bible Study.

153 posted on 11/03/2019 5:20:08 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius

The difference between being taught scripture in class (in some form) and learning to study Scripture are two very different things.


154 posted on 11/03/2019 5:35:24 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Iscool
Personally, while I don’t know what to make of the TLIG material, I get a lot of benefit from it and that is the fruit by which I know it.

I like it for teaching me about things I’ve long had questions about. And then I like looking for more info to help me understand what I read there. It’s a great hobby!

I grew up in Protestant country, but with more questions than Protestants can answer. Like with Purgatory or Mother Mary or which day is the Sabbath, I’ve found Protestants often are not the best sources for some answers, though totally awesome for most others.

I think many of us get blinded by something like what blinded the Scribes and Pharisees, which made them unable to “see” Jesus when He was right there before them flawlessly answering their questions and doing all that He did.

He just didn’t give them the answers they wanted to hear.

I think for a lot of Protestants, Sola Scriptura, or rather their sola understanding of those Scriptures they’ve chosen for their own personal Scriptura, often blocks the Light.

This has often been true for my ego and me. Perspective and truth are often difficult to separate, since my ego and I often have more invested in my/our perspective. Hmmm ...

I need to get over it and find a church where I can clean my soul up enough to receive Communion. Not getting any younger and my teeth don’t need any more gnashing.

155 posted on 11/03/2019 6:23:41 PM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.)
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To: ealgeone

The command, “Be ye Holy” is not humanly possible. Therefore when someone is born again, GOD cleanses the spirit and soul and IMPUTES the righteousness of Christ (The Holy One of Israel) to the new born. In that way is fulfilled the command “Be ye Holy”.


156 posted on 11/03/2019 7:08:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: GBA
I need to get over it and find a church where I can clean my soul up enough to receive Communion. Not getting any younger and my teeth don’t need any more gnashing.

If you're a Christian your soul has become clean...It's your flesh where the filth is...

157 posted on 11/03/2019 7:13:32 PM PST by Iscool
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To: GBA

All the cleaning necessary to restore the personal relationship with God can be done in a closet ... on your knees if you prefer.


158 posted on 11/03/2019 7:55:15 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie

Perhaps some of them are...maybe they’re ARRRgyle pirate sock puppets...


159 posted on 11/04/2019 2:39:35 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Petrosius

We could honestly debate the quality of any Scripture course for either Catholics or Protestants, but to say that someone can be ordained to the Catholic priesthood without being required to study Scripture is simply false.


All of the original apostles except for Paul were uneducated knuckleheads. Paul had a speech problem. So what does an education mean? One can study scripture without an institution.

But there was one gift they all received that was essential.

And that is the new covenant. God destroyed, the old temple, sacrificial system and priestly system. Man rebuilt it.

Jer_31:31 “The day is coming,” says the LORD, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.
Jer_31:33 “But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the LORD. “I will put My instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people.

The new covenant is of the Spirit, God’s personal, direct relationship with us. We must be born again, that is a requirement.

Many here will object to these words, but what does God say on the matter? Folks, get you Bibles out


160 posted on 11/04/2019 6:33:00 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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