Given that Rome's popes and pepes slaughtered dissenters, I'd guess not...
As an example, Waldensians.
Posted on 11/02/2019 8:30:32 AM PDT by Antoninus
Hey bro, when I was a catholic, we never really did any Bible study. We did catechism, but I didn’t really want to be there, so I hardly ever paid attention. Maybe that was a good thing, since I kind of avoided too much catholic indoctrination. That was a good thing. 😁👍
no “readeth”??
Don't feel too bad.
You could have gone through a Roman Catholic seminary and not learned Bible Study.
“Readeth” is the next step, once we are saved and become an ambassador for Christ, teaching reconciliation between God and man. 2 Corinthians 5:14-21
“Readeth”..and how does God tell us HOW to “readeth”? 2 Timothy 2:15. “STUDY to show thyself APPROVED into God; a WORKMAN who needeth NOT to be ASHAMED, RIGHTLY DIVIDING the WORD OF TRUTH.”
I have no doubt that is true.
My dad asked me once if I ever thought about being a priest? I said, no, I had never considered it. What I did NOT say, was that I liked females, and I wanted female companionship, and as a result, I had no desire to be a priest. 👎
They won't do it.
I have the book FOUR WITNESSES, The Early Church in Her Own Words
Clement of Rome, 35 A.D.
Ignatius of Antioch, died in Rome in 110 A.D.
Justin Martyr, 100 A.D.
Irenaeus of Lyons, 130 A.D.
Excommunicated Catholic priest Father Martin Luther didn't live until the end of the fifteenth century (1483-1546). If the Catholic Church had been SO terrible you would have THOUGHT that the Protestant Reformation would have happened sooner.
The Four Witnesses, listed above, told the story of the early Church. It didn't need revision. Jesus doesn't make mistakes.
Personal opinion: I believe that Father Luther would have been appalled and GREATLY saddened at what his dissension caused, that is, THIRTY THOUSAND different Protestant denominations. Jesus preached unity. Where is their unity? THIRTY THOUSAND different Biblical interpretations of God's words and no one to guide them otherwise? It doesn't make much sense because the is no unity there.
"Sola Scriptura" seems what most Protestants believe because excommunicated Catholic priest Father Martin Luther decided to CHANGE the Bible. Apparently God's words weren't good enough for him and he wrote that man is saved by faith alone.
So Protestants who live out their faith THIS way have to be considered faithful. They are doing their best with what they have, changed words in the Bible. That adds to excommunicated Catholic priest Father Martin Luther's sin of heresy. His heresy caused good, God-fearing people to leave the faith that Jesus established 2000 years ago.
JAMES 2: 24: As you can see, any man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.
Getting ready for the quotes gainsaying this. :o)
The idea that we can be saved ONLY by faith and therefore can live the way we want just doesn't make ANY sense. People must practice their faith, not just think it.
I thanketh thee.
Given that Rome's popes and pepes slaughtered dissenters, I'd guess not...
As an example, Waldensians.
As an example, Waldensians.
As an example, Waldensians.
As an example, Waldensians.
Yes, this is what the popes and pepes did to those Christians who dared to believe something different.
So, if you can't abide by the Catholic Church whose side were YOU on during the Crusades?
So, if you can't abide by the Catholic Church whose side were YOU on during the Crusades?
“ You mean, you mean, you mean, you CAN’T mean that some popes were BAD?”
No.
I mean that you are defending a religious group that slaughtered dissenters.
You claimed the reformation would’ve happened sooner.
I pointed out why Christians were driven underground - the sinfulness of Catholicism.
That you minimize the hideous sin, while attempting to portray Catholicism as a Christian authority says it all.
Do you justify your gay priesthood also?
Your group’s sexual abuse of children?
Pardon me when I immediately recognize Catholicism as a former branch of Christianity that has fallen.
And don’t believe what you claim.
I have actual quotes from the church fathers where they speak of faith alone.
You have... an evidence-less empty assertion, AND an attempt to mind read me.
Hm.
Thou art so very welcome!
With the principle of polarity, you have a third “thing” in between them, like with oil and water, that’s neither, so what is it?
To me, Heaven and hell are polar opposites, which suggests that there is something in between Heaven and hell that is neither one.
I’ve always thought this would be Purgatory, but I’m just guessing.
For me, Scripture alludes to such a place, as with the maidens whose lamps were without oil and they were locked out.
When I look around at His creation to understand Him better, I see he likes the principle of the hierarchy quite a bit, too.
He has a lot of merit based advice in the Scriptures to His children, too, about seeking their place in Heaven.
Having been a plebe many times in life so far and generally not being one who seeks rank, I am none the less very curious about finding my place in the next life and what is required.
Staying awake and being prepared are two requirements and they are a full time job/joy.
It may be a slight detour from the thread, but I must post it.
What I find most vexing is to try to forgive people who are NOT sorry for what they did to me. It is the act of the will, not emotional, and yet my emotions remain in such turmoil even after I intellectually decide to forgive.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.Fwiw, I think “Jesus” is very difficult. It can be tough work being an awake Christian and loving/living it always.
~Mark Twain
I am a sinner and I sin, forgiven or not, but I am working on it.
Satan is a vicious and cruel warrior on the mental/emotional fields of battle, but he can be beaten.
I am becoming more mindful that “the rule” I use to measure/judge/criticize with is used to measure me, too, so I can’t claim ignorance should my time end with me in mid-criticism.
I do see Heaven as being sort of a merit based hierarchy, but His merit system is His and His Judgment is perfect.
Just like taking Malachi3:3 and creating Purgatory out of it.
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