Posted on 09/06/2019 6:30:21 PM PDT by tired&retired
A woman in Texas is suing the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston and her parish claiming she suffered psychological and emotional abuse through a lay-led exorcism during a retreat.
Beth Ann Andrews filed her lawsuit on July 25 after attending a “Faith in the Fire” event, which is associated with the Catholic Charismatic movement.
“The parishioner plaintiff alleges that she was subjected to non-physical, psychological and emotional abuse by a lay volunteer. The parishioner further alleges that the Archdiocese and the parish failed to properly train and supervise the lay volunteer,” the statement said.
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You can be delivered from that, you know.
Get behind me satan
Herein may lay the problem:
“According to Church law, exorcisms can only be performed by authorized personnel, but the Church has published a book of “Prayers Against the Powers of Darkness” that can be used by anyone.”
What were the prayers vs what the lay leader did or didn’t do with them. And the article states: “Andrews told the television station that the retreat leader abused his power and authority by inappropriately discussing sexual topics.”
Though the book says the prayers can be used by anyone, training is needed to avoid mistakes or misuse.
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The Diocesan Exorcist is a closely guarded secret, with good reason.
The Devil does not like his ill-taken territory to be invaded and he fights back with the full fury of Hell.
This is not for amateurs!
I agree that this is not for amateurs.
However, most proclaiming clergy and priests are amateurs when it comes to this work.
This type if work can only be done when you are weak in self. I’ve been stung many times over 30 years while doing this work, and still manage to laugh at them. My strength to deal with them is due to my weakness.
I never, ever do this type of work as part of a group demonstration. Even when I was forced to deal with them in public, I do it as inconspicuous as possible, using silent prayer and no verbal utterances. Creating fear in others around you only exacerbates problems.
God is in control, not me. I am merely a lowly servant.
Many of the “Charismatic Movements” are fake.
There is a false process that uses horizontal surrender similar to stage hypnosis rather than the real process which is a vertical surrender within that connects a person to the Holy Spirit.
I’ve traveled frequently to observe many religious services, especially charismatic and cult groups. These include Pentacostal, Messianic Jewish, New Age Cults, and many more variations. If the Holy Spirit is present, I see and feel it. Usually it is not.
In the false born again experience, the person will swear on a Bible they have accepted Jesus, but they do not know him.
The very first time I observed this in a religious service, it made me very sick. I walked out side and asked God in prayer, “Wht was I led here to observe this atrocity?”
His reply came quickly, “This is how the anti messiah will lead people astray.”
Poor lady. She should know better. St. Vincent Ferrer was a vegetarian, used a stone as a pillow and wrote a book about power. Once a friar in the house peeked in Vincent’s doorway and saw him levitating in bright light. Vincent became very upset and told the friar that the punishment for his disobedience was a daily fever for seven years. Yup. Poor lady. She should know these things. Only a Bishop has the power to do exorcisms and lay people who think they are doing exorcisms are pretending. Vincent got his power from Pope Benedict XIII.
When the Holy Spirit is present, I learn by listening to the words coming out of my mouth. The work is not done by me. But through me.
I’ve had evil spirits fly at me, and when they hit the Holy Spirit flowing through me, it is as though they hit a rock wall.
They will hiss, spit, growl and shout. Never allow fear to enter. If the Holy Spirit is flowing out, it pushes them away from you.
True ordination comes only from God, not man.
I am in complete agreement.
One of the hallmarks of a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ:
“1 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
Mark 16:17,18
Perhaps the lady, since she was in Dallas, should have visited Key Ministry on Richardson for deliverance instead.
From their FAQ:
Frequently Asked Questions about Deliverance
What do you mean by “Deliverance”?
By the word “Deliverance” we mean the casting out of demons from people, particularly Christians. The New Testament model of Jesus’ ministry clearly verifies this definition.To add a new question go to app settings and press “Manage Questions” button.
What is a Demon?
We have learned demons are disembodied spirits, possibly from some past generations. These entities have distinct personalities, desires and names. They have a strong desire to dwell inside humans since this is the only way they can fulfill their desires. They can exercise authority on the earth through a human tongue. They are invisible to the human eye.
Why can’t I just ignore these things?
Jesus did not ignore demons, so we should not think we can. Regardless, of some present day teaching, demons are not harmless. They can be so deceptive that most people are not aware of their activity in their own lives, homes and churches. Jesus gave every believer authority to deal with demons. Casting out demons is a primary sign to follow a true believer’s life.
Can demons go out of one person and into another?
In some instances, demons can leave one person and go into another. If a person desires to have demons come into themselves (such as some people in witchcraft), they can take in demons; otherwise, all those in a deliverance meeting are safe and protected by the blood of Jesus, including the children.
Where do demons go when they are cast out?
Jesus said demons go to dry places after leaving a person. They seek rest and do not find it and come back to the same person seeking another entrance. If that person has only swept out their house (their body) and not filled the voided places with the Lordship of Jesus Christ, the demon will not only come back in, but bring seven (a complete number) worse than himself into that person. Then , according to Jesus, the last condition of that person will be worse than before he received initial deliverance. We also have the instance where Jesus allowed the demons to go into the pigs, but the outcome of that situation is another matter for teaching.
Should I be afraid of demons?
Believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ should not fear demons or even Satan. Jesus gave absolute authority over all the power of the enemy and said, “Nothing should by any means hurt us.” Fear is a demonic spirit and can be cast out.
Are childrensafe in a deliverance service?
Children are always as safe as their parent’s level of belief. Once properly introduced and taught about deliverance, children often become more aggressive warriors than adults. The key to children’s deliverance is the deliverance of the parents. Often children will manifest demons leaving them while they are leaving their parents.
Why is deliverance not ministered in most churches and ministries?
Satan and the demons have worked fervently to deceive the Body of Christ about their activity. Integrating deliverance into a life or ministry takes it to a new level spiritually requiring a more circumspect walk. Obviously, the enemy does not like such commitment and the exposure it brings to his activities and will seek to retaliate. Many believers do not want to deal with demonic issues in their lives due to embarrassment or shame. Leaders, especially, avoid such. The warfare of deliverance is hard work requiring a sacrifice of time and effort. Most turn away from this spiritual “front line,” choosing, as Israel of old often did, to dwell in their tents in fear rather than confront and destroy Goliath.
I went through deliverance once, is that not enough?
Most believers have been taught that deliverance is a one-time event like salvation in an evangelical setting. Actually, deliverance is a lifestyle. When one joins the army, their entire lifestyle revolves around war—preparing for war, going to war or being ready for war. The true calling of the church is warfare. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. We now know there are many levels of deliverance needed in everyone’s life due to rejections, traumas, sins and certain experiences. We are to keep fighting until we are free indeed!
Does everyone need deliverance?
Absolutely. Without question. Especially Christians who desire cleansing in their lives. Jesus was the only one to live on this earth who, as He said, “The ruler of this world has nothing in me.” There is no human being not affected by demonic influence. This is one reason why Jesus came casting demons out of His sheep.
Can a believer minister deliverance to his or her self?
One can renounce agreement with demons they discern in their own life. Falling out of agreement with an unclean spirit will often cause it to leave. The degree one can minister to their self depends on their level of faith. Sound teaching and the experience of ministry from others greatly enhances the ability to deal with some personal demons.
My pastor does not believe in deliverance, what should I do?
If you are serious about maturing as a Christian and becoming an overcomer, you must find your place in a body with leadership that believes in, partakes of and practices deliverance. This ministry should not be delegated because leadership does not want to do it. God’s true leadership should set the example for the flock just like Jesus. This sign of casting out demons should follow all believers, including the leadership. Jesus offered no substitute for deliverance or the casting out of demons. He fasted and prayed, but He still confronted the demons and cast them out. God’s true leadership must set the Jesus-like example.
What can I do to make deliverance more effective in my life?
Resolve your total commitment to the Lord.
Repent of all known sin.
Receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Find ministry you can trust to open your life to completely—become totally transparent.
Get “knit-in” to a body of believers with like desires, beliefs and practices.
Get your home in order according the standards of God’s Word.
Begin to minister to others and give of yourself.
Keep your eyes on Jesus and all He has done for you already and not the demons and what yet needs to be done in your life.
This is very funny. Thank you for posting it.
Norski
I thought a priest that is trained to do exorcism can do the exorcism?
In other words, the spiritual version of the old saying “Lose lips, sinks ships”.
“I thought a priest that is trained to do exorcism can do the exorcism?”
It takes much more than training. It is not a mechanical process, but a dynamic process done by God through you.
A demon will know every one of your sins, your fears, your worst nightmares and has the ability to use this knowledge against you.
For example, if you have a fear of snakes or spiders, they will turn into a snake or spider.
If you cheated or stole something, it will be public....
Your strength in Jesus must be so strong that you would die without hesitance for Jesus. You actually feel Jesus and God’s Love in you when you do this work.
NuChurch has been clericalizing the laity for 50 years.
The devil is an accuser, but he has no access to sins that have been confessed and absolved. A thorough confession is necessary before undertaking an exorcism, along with prayer and fasting. And this is hazardous territory for lay people, who lack the priestly character that confers genuine authority.
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