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Jesus is the Life Preserver. Mary is the Rope He Chose To Reel Us In.
The Most Ancient Tradition | 06-16-2019 | Charles O'Connell

Posted on 06/16/2019 4:55:18 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell

In Captains Courageous, with Spencer Tracey, Freddy Batholomew is a blowhard millionaire's son who is socially, poorly adjusted. He uses his father's incredible wealth, to bully his classmates and even his teacher, but he's roundly disliked, and ostracized. While on an ocean liner, he unsuccessfully tries to impress some other boys by eating 5 ice cream sodas. When he has to throw up, to escape the mocking boys, he runs into a lifeboat area to evade their ridicule while purging his overindulgence, and manages to fall overboard into the ocean.

Instances of people falling overboard into the open ocean are rather commonly reported in the news. Usually they are lost, but if by chance their accidents are observed and a life-preserver is thrown to them, is that the end of the story, do we just say, "oh, well, you have a floatation device, you're okay now"?

No, we have to pull them in. The life-preserver, the lifesaver, is only part of the formula for saving their lives. There is also a rope, which must be attached to the life-preserver, and must be used to finally accomplish their salvation.

Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man. But on the man side of the equation, unlike the radical individuality most typified by J.J. Rousseau, we who life the life of Christians do so in communities. But even then, we do not abide as atomistic individualists. We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.

Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed". On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.
And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days. …
And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had borne the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with the flood. But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river which the dragon had poured from his mouth. Then the dragon was angry with the woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus. - Rev 11:19 -- 12:17

She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.

We are in a time when any merely human institution would be washed away. Our churches are going under the shadow of a new Heresy of Ba'al of Peor, as when the Hebrew people were successfully attacked and overwhelmed through human sexuality. Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".

Jesus' mother forms the few of the elect who will resist being fooled by the great apostasy. Those who will not avail themselves of the lifeline of Mary, will be lost.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ecumenism
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Great, Mary is the Bride of the Spirit. So they work together...

Chapter and verse?

41 posted on 06/16/2019 10:25:11 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RoosterRedux
Far too many add or take away or both from the simplicity of the Gospel Message of our Salvation.

GOOD NEWS IS THAT GOD BECAME MAN IN JESUS


42 posted on 06/16/2019 10:25:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: RoosterRedux

Jeremiah 23, especially verse 16: “Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.” In fact, when you listen to a false prophet, then you disregard the prophecies of Revelations at your own risk. There are many that are deceived. There are many false prophets. There is great delusion in the world, and a faith in false prophets is the greatest delusion. John spoke of it. Jeremiah spoke of it. When a current ‘prophet’ claims that he requires 5 jets to spread the ‘word’, many are deceived. Disregard Revelations? Quite the contrary. My advice is to be like the Bereans, as Paul said. Acts 17:11.


43 posted on 06/16/2019 10:31:32 AM PDT by richardtavor
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To: nobamanomore
Worshiping someone's mother is gonna get you in a whole lot of trouble.

The real problem is that Catholics understand the relationship between Mary and Jesus, so for the protestants, it’s gotta be wrong!

The real problem is Roman Catholicism has so elevated Mary to a demi-goddess status they can't see their own error.

44 posted on 06/16/2019 10:32:51 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: nobamanomore

You stated....”The real problem is that Catholics understand the relationship between Mary and Jesus”....

Well actually that is the stumbling block for them in having a true and full relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus clearly stated, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”John 14:6 ...” For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.1 Timothy 2:5

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now ‘to appear in the presence of God for us’ Hebrews 9:23-24


45 posted on 06/16/2019 10:39:10 AM PDT by caww
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To: ealgeone

.....”The real problem is Roman Catholicism has so elevated Mary to a demi-goddess status they can’t see their own error”....

God says, “My glory will I not give to another.”


46 posted on 06/16/2019 10:53:43 AM PDT by caww
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To: nobamanomore

Plus Mary was with the disciples in the upper room that very first Pentecost.


47 posted on 06/16/2019 12:32:41 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: nobamanomore

Plus seeing a lot of YOPIOS here.


48 posted on 06/16/2019 12:34:09 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: CharlesOConnell; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; ...
We live our Jesus-oriented life in relation to our fellows. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." – Hebrews 10:25.

And Catholics attest to a much much lower attendance at church/fellowship than do evangelicals, and to which class the the Mary of Scripture belongs to, versus the deceiving Mary of Catholicism .

Jesus' first disciple was his mother, who gave us the total account of his early life and who "treasured these things up in her heart". "A sword will pierce your own soul too, so that the secret thoughts of many hearts might be revealed".

While Catholic eisegesis is dependent upon egregious extrapolation for their unscriptural hyper-exaltation of the Mary of Catholicism, that is an awful lot to read into a verse that says nothing about Mary giving us the total account of Christ's early life, and which is not even a claim your church officially makes. And the Greek does not say "secret" while "that" is sometimes translated as "because," meaning a sword will pierce the heart or Mary revealing her thoughts, as it will for many others.

On the cross, he gave his mother to John to take in his home, but when you take your master's mother, she takes care of you.

John is known as "the disciple whom Jesus loved," not the "the disciple whom Mary loved," though I am sure she was a good mother to him, yet Catholics can only wish that Scripture says what they can only read into it.

Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery.

Even the RC NAB Bible and The New Catholic Answer Bible commentary and certain other RC sources do not make the women of Rv. 12 to be Mary:

The woman adorned with the sun, the moon, and the stars (images taken from Genesis 37:9-10) symbolizes God's people in the Old and the New Testament. The Israel of old gave birth to the Messiah (Rev 12:5) and then became the new Israel, the church, which suffers persecution by the dragon (Rev 12:6, 13-17); cf Isaiah 50:1; 66:7; Jeremiah 50:12. This corresponds to a widespread myth throughout the ancient world that a goddess pregnant with a savior was pursued by a horrible monster; by miraculous intervention, she bore a son who then killed the monster. ; http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/. . P12V.HTM#$54O

Raymond Brown interprets Revelation 12 as, “The woman clothed with the sun, having the moon under her feet and on her head the crown of twelve stars, represents Israel, echoing the dream of Joseph in Gen. 37:9 where these symbols represent his father (Jacob/Israel), his mother, and his brothers (the sons of Jacob who were looked on as ancestors of the twelve tribes)” [Raymond E. Brown, An Introduction to the New Testament (New York: Doubleday, 1997), p.790].

Roman Catholic theologian Father Hubert J. Richards agrees that the Revelation 12 woman refers to Israel. In his book, “What The Spirit Says to the Churches: A Key to the Apocalypse of John,” (Nihil obstat and Imprimatur), Richards writes:

The vision proper, then, begins with the figure of a Woman clothed with the sun and the stars. We think naturally enough of our Lady, to whom this description has traditionally been applied. After all, we say, of whom else could John be thinking when he speaks of the mother of the Messiah? However it is clear from the rest of the chapter that this interpretation will stand only if the verse is isolated: what follows has very little relevance to our Lady. Nor is it any honor to Mary to apply any and every text to her without thought.

Who then is she? The source to which John has turned for his imagery throughout this book is the Old Testament. There, the Woman, the bride of God which brings forth the Messiah is Israel, the true Israel, the chosen people of God. It is quite certain that this is what is in John's mind when he begins his description with a quotation from Gen. 37:9-10 where the sun and the moon and the twelve stars represent the twelve-fold of Israel.

This Woman will later be contrasted with the Harlot (the collective personality of Rome, opposed to the true Israel) and will be specified at the end of the book, again appearing in the light and splendour for her marriage with the Lamb as the twelve-gated Jerusalem which forms the new Israel. In fact the number twelve occurs so frequently in the Apocalypse in reference to Israel that it cannot have a different meaning here. All the early fathers of the church interpreted these verses as about the Israel of God. - http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/Revelation12Woman.pdf

..It is not until the fifth century (in Quodvultdeus) and the sixth century (in Oecumenius) that we find positive evidence for seeing, respectively, Mary as a secondary referent unintended by the author of the Revelation and Mary as the primary referent in the interpretation of this text. In any case, the Marian interpretation was never the majority opinion in the early church. The majority viewed the 'woman' as the people of God, both the ancient church and the New Covenant church." (Eric Svendsen, Who Is My Mother? [Amityville, New York: Calvary Press, 2001], pp. 231-232)

That Christ is the is the child who is to rule with an iron rod" is clear, but which does not make Mary to be the women, and the typology fits Israel. And he [Joseph] dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me. And he told it to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? (Genesis 37:9,10)

The 12 stars on the woman’s head represents the 12 patriarchs, “and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Rm. 9:5) And which was and will be persecuted, but God keeps her through it. And Israel is likened to being a women and mother:

For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers. (Jeremiah 4:31)

Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail. Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies. (Micah 4:9-10)

I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman. (Jeremiah 6:2)

The women of Rv. 12 travailed (ōdinō: (cf. Gal. 4:19, 4:27) in birth and tormented (basanizō: cf. Mat. 8:6;Rev. 9:5; Rev. 20:10; Mat. 8:29; Mar. 5:7; Luk. 8:28; Mar. 6:48; Mat. 14:24; 2Pe. 2:8) to be delivered of her child, which was Christ, but which women cannot be the Mary of Rome, as it teaches that since she was sinless,

just as the rays of the sun penetrate without breaking or injuring in the least the solid substance of glass, so after a like but more exalted manner did Jesus Christ come forth from His mother's womb without injury to her maternal virginity...To Eve it was said: In sorrow shalt thou bring forth children. Mary was exempt from this law, for preserving her virginal integrity inviolate she brought forth Jesus the Son of God without experiencing, as we have already said, any sense of pain. - CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT PART 1: THE CREED; Article III. http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tcreed03.htm

In the preface of the votive Mass in honor of Mary at the foot of the cross, we read the words: “She who had given Him birth without the pains of childbirth was to endure the greatest of pains in bringing forth to new life the family of the Church.” http://www.cst-phl.com/marian.html

“In conceiving you were all pure, in giving birth y ou were without pain.” (St. Augustine, Sermone de Nativitate )

Thus to take this as the women literally giving birth then you must contradict RC teaching that Mary had no anguish and pain of birth. In addition, no where is Mary said to uniquely be the mother of all Christians, but as said, Christ makes all such disciples

In addition, while the women can be seen to be Israel and thus consequently, the church, Rev. 7:4-8; cf. 14:1-4 also shows John's focus is on Israel, that of the remaining descendants of Abraham during the tribulation which turn to the Lord, whose coming the CCC teaches awaits his recognition by all Israel, whose acceptance means life from the dead, and that this full inclusion of the Jews will be in the wake of the full number of the Gentiles being saved.

Scripture clearly teaches that,

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (Romans 11:25-27)

Thus Rev. 7:14 speaks of a remnant of these in the tribulation period, and to which other prophecies relate:

And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God. And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: (Ezekiel 20:34-37)

And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers. And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled; and ye shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake, not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel, saith the Lord God. (Ezekiel 20:42-44)

The nations that persecute the remnant of Jews who turn to Christ are led by the devil, and which God protects by providing a place in the wilderness for 3.5 years, while in the end the Lord wuill destroy these persecuting peoples.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:9-10)

And even if we allowed this as a possible mention of Mary, it does not present the Mary of Catholicism, and it remains that there is only one manifest mention of her the inspired record of the NT church, (Acts 1) in stark contrast to her hyper exaltation and centrality in Catholic devotion, thinking of her far far above that which is written. (contra. 1 Co. 4:6)

She forms the body of Christ. She schools her son's disciples. Those who won't attend her school, remain ignorant.

Which is pure bombast, for to be a disciple of Christ is to be schooled in the Scriptures, which wholly inspired word the purported revelations of Mary are not part of, while Catholics are more ignorant of than evangelicals.

Our churches are now pro-gay and as soon as the civil authority authorizes child sex, they will be indistinguishable from the denizens of the town of Sodom: "Bring them out that we may know them".

And Rome manifestly considers even proabortion, prohomosexual public figures and their supporters to be members in life and in death, and thus they are your brethren. And thus besides the doctrinal errors, we should not leave our conservative Bible fellowships to become part of the most manifest deformation of the NT church.

For distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (including how they understood the OT and gospels), which is Scripture, especially Acts thru Revelation.

49 posted on 06/16/2019 12:50:39 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ealgeone

BINGO! Give that Bible scholar an “A” for the correct answer!


50 posted on 06/16/2019 12:52:24 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord God Almighty, deliver us from this evil in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, amen.)
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To: richardtavor
Jeremiah 23, especially verse 16:

Jeremiah also speaks about the only "queen of Heaven in Scripture, whose worshipers respond to correction much like Catholics sadly do:

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. (Jeremiah 44:16-17)

51 posted on 06/16/2019 12:53:39 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: richardtavor
When a current ‘prophet’ claims that he requires 5 jets to spread the ‘word’, many are deceived.

Did I recommend listening to such a "prophet" or any false prophet for that matter?

52 posted on 06/16/2019 12:54:23 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: daniel1212

Catholic Mary worship?


53 posted on 06/16/2019 12:55:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: nobamanomore
Very true, and as a rule dissing a man’s mother will get you in trouble!

Respectfully speaking the truth about Mary is not dissing her. Making a goddess of her is more demeaning of Mary than people recognizing her more limited role without exaggeration as spelled out in Scripture.

Some on here don’t understand that!

If people claim my mother was the 1963 American League Most Valuable Player, why would I be upset that someone else corrects them?

The real problem is that Catholics understand the relationship between Mary and Jesus, so for the protestants, it’s gotta be wrong!

Protestants don't have a problem agreeing with Catholics when it aligns with Scripture (for example, the Trinity). Evangelicals do not stand with Catholics when their speculations wander far from Scripture as much of mariology does.

54 posted on 06/16/2019 12:57:45 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Hillary: A unique blend of arrogance, incompetence, and corruption.)
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To: CharlesOConnell

The mother of Christians, a CITY:

“But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.” Galatians 4:26

And another CITY, who is also a WOMAN, about which much is said in Revelation:

“So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:3-5

Now, I don’t doubt that in another sense what is written in Revelation 12 also refers to Mary, but I also see that over many centuries the Roman Catholic Church has built doctrines about her that didn’t exist when Jesus created His True Church, and those doctrines eventually became “tradition,” and so have turned her into a goddess to be worshiped.


55 posted on 06/16/2019 12:59:54 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: CharlesOConnell

And then, of course, this:

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” Revelation 21:2


56 posted on 06/16/2019 1:03:10 PM PDT by Faith Presses On (Above all, politics should serve the Great Commission, "preparing the way for the Lord.")
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To: ealgeone

that statement alone is damnable blasphemy (that those who do not avail themselves of Mary are lost). The entire essay is full of error/heresy. Yet our roman freepers would deny they worship Mary or elevate her to demigoddess or even goddess status.


57 posted on 06/16/2019 1:09:08 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Amazing! That's exactly what learned and highly respectable Jews say about Christological types and prophecies in the OT. They say it's all wishful thinking, back-reading and eisegesis on the part of Christians.

However, unlike the many for Christ, the NT nowhere interprets the claimed typologies of Mary as being just that, nor that the NT even engaged in this cultic Catholic extrapolation. Moreover, fuller examination of such attempts as making the Ark a figure of Mary show these fail as they lack critical correspondence and or have other correspondence. (As with Rev. 12).

Rather than Mary being presented as an anti-type, we have,

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:27) Not Mary.

For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ. (Acts 18:28)

58 posted on 06/16/2019 1:14:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
SOME of us also realize that there's as much about Mary in the OT as there is in the NT.

Which is not much, as even Ratzinger acknowledged that Mary, “in the gospel tradition is quite marginal,” (“God and the world;” p. 296) and is only mentioned once by name in the only wholly inspired-of-God and substantive record of what the New Testament church believed.

59 posted on 06/16/2019 1:15:06 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Not so. There is even more about Mary in the OT than there is in the NT. The events and prophets of the OT refer to her in types and prophecies, just as they refer to her Son.

Which is simply more egregious eisegetical extrapolation, some of which is dealt with here , by the grace of God.

And no, we're not talking about some dingbat goddess.

Actually, that unscriptural hyper-exaltation of the Mary of Catholicism is what drives their sinful abuse of Scripture, thinking of mortals (far far) "above that which is written." (1 Cor. 4:6) .

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*, As the the Son of God has a unique unique relationship with the Persons of the Trinity, so also Mary is said to have a unique relationship with all three Persons of the Trinity; As Christ is the express image of God, and highly exalted above all under the Father, having the primary position among all creation, so Mary is declared to be the greatest saint of all, and the first of all creatures, and as having a certain affinity with the Father, with a pre-eminent resemblance which she bears to the Father; As Christ was called the Son of God, indicating ontological oneness, so Mary is called the Mother of God (which naturally infers the same, and is not the language of Scripture, which even clarifies Israel birthed Christ "according to the flesh, God blessed for ever": Rm. 9:4,5); As the the Son of God supernaturally, spiritually makes believing souls into children of God, Mary is said to be the mother of Christians in "supernatural and spiritual generation." As Christ was sinless, so Mary was; As the Lord remained a virgin, so also Mary; As the Lord was bodily ascended into Heaven, so Mary also was; As the Holy Spirit directs believers to be "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith," (Hebrews 12:2) in whom believes are accounted a holy nation, (1 Pt. 2:9) so Catholicism teaches that believers are to "turn their eyes to Mary" in whom "the Church is already the 'all-holy." (CCC 829) As the Father made Christ Lord over all things, so Mary is said to be enthroned above all creation (all other believers have to wait for their crowns) and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things; As Christ is given all power in heaven and in earth, so Mary is “surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven.” As Christ is given all power on Heaven and on earth, so Mary is said to have (showing some restraint) “almost unlimited power;” and showing less restraint, to be "omnipotent" (by grace); As God the Father made His Divine Son functionally the Lord over the universe, so Mary states, "I command what I will, and introduce whom I will." As no man comes to the Father but through the Son, so it is taught that no one can come to the Son except through Mary in Heaven; As no one can obtain mercy, be saved/redeemed or be delivered and know the Father but through the Son, so the same is said of Mary; As those whom God has chosen will come to Him, so it is said that if Mary wills our salvation, and then we are sure to obtain it. As the emphasis is upon Christ as the Creator through whom God (the Father) made all things, including Mary, so it is emphasized that uniquely “to her, Jesus owes His Precious Blood,” shed for the salvation of mankind, (the logic behind which can lead back to Eve); As Scripture declares that Christ suffered for our sins, so Mary is said to have done so also, even all the consequences of sin; As Christ redeemed mankind (as many as truly believe) with the Father and the Spirit, so it is said of Mary that "we might rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ." As Christ saves us from the condemnation and death resulting from the fault of Adam, so it is taught that man was condemned through the fault of Eve, the root of death, but that we are saved through the merits of Mary; who was the source of life for everyone. As all things come from the Father through the Son, so Mary is made to be the dispenser of all grace; that "through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation." As believers have confidence through Christ, so Mary is extolled as being the foundation of all the believer's confidence. As the Lord wills all souls to be saved through Christ, so it is said that it is God's will that we obtain everything through Mary. And as the Lord called souls to come to Him to be given life and salvation, so (in misappropriation of the words of Scripture) it is said of Mary, “He that shall find me shall find life, and shall have salvation from the Lord;” “that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.” As Christ is the King of the saints and over all kings, (Rv. 15:3; 17:14; 19:16) so Mary is made Queen of Heaven and the greatest saint, and that “Next to God, she deserves the highest praise;” As Christ ever liveth to make intercession for the saints, so is Mary said to be in constant intercession; as only to God is ascribed the power and privilege of hearing prayer from all flesh, so also is Mary extolled as doing so; as believers only address God/Christ in prayer to Heaven, including in prostration before Him, so also do Catholics pray to Mary; as believers only pray to God to have mercy on sinners, so Catholics beseech Mary to do so. As Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His "real" flesh and blood to be eaten, so it is emphasized that Mary gave Him this, being fashioned out of Mary's pure blood and even being “kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk,” so that she can say, "Come and eat my bread, drink the wine I have prepared" (Prov. 9:5); And as Christ is given many titles of honor, so Mary also is, except that she is honored by Catholics with more titles than they give to the Lord Himself! Mary was a holy, virtuous instrument of God, but of whom Scripture says relatively little, while holy fear ought to restrain ascribing positions, honor, glory and powers to a mortal that God has not revealed as given to them, and or are only revealed as being possessed by God Himself. But like as the Israelites made an instrument of God an object of worship, (Num. 21:8,9; 2Kg. 18:4) Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture.

And who is further exalted (officially or with implicit sanction) as,

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

60 posted on 06/16/2019 1:15:12 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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