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The Methodist mess in St. Louis
Christian Century ^ | 2/27/2019 | William H. Willimon

Posted on 02/28/2019 5:47:05 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: HangnJudge

Not into positions of leadership when they are proud of being gay.


21 posted on 02/28/2019 6:13:28 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: HangnJudge

But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

(NIV, Matthew 18:6-7)


22 posted on 02/28/2019 6:13:34 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Gamecock; newgeezer

The downhill spiral starts when you allow women to be pastors.


23 posted on 02/28/2019 6:13:54 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Believing lies gets you killed by a lion {God} in the bible.)
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To: Gamecock
"The question of LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage, insoluble at a corporate-style global gathering of 800 people, is more or less resolved in every congregation I know."

I'm soon to be 66 a month from now, but this is a ludicrous claim.

24 posted on 02/28/2019 6:14:00 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Gamecock

William needs to take a midol. Follow scripture and serve the Lord or serve the world you can’t serve both.


25 posted on 02/28/2019 6:16:00 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: DungeonMaster

Pretty much. When you have to turn the Bible over so you don’t have to read part of it, you are in trouble.
PCUSA didn’t split over women’s ordination back in the day. They split after the denomination said “You have to agree with this”.


26 posted on 02/28/2019 6:16:56 AM PST by AppyPappy (How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?)
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To: dangus
"Church Governance" has always been sort of a mystery to me. I have always been a Methodist. But, it's always been primarily because they had strong congregations and good pastors in the towns where I lived. It was NEVER because of the church hierarchy, "book of Discipline, or conference-voted statements of belief.

I could have just as easily been a Presbyterian, or Lutheran, or First Christian... or, even a member of any number of non-denominational churches. My spiritual relationship is with Jesus, not with any Methodist bishop.

That said, there are things my church could do that would move me to STOP attending: Sanctioning gay marriage is one. Two people of the same sex living together is NOT "marriage". The government can sanction it, if they want, for secular reasons... but, it's not a marriage that is sanctioned by God.

When we allowed liberals to force this issue on the general public, without any distinction in the name; ie, "Marriage" vs "Union", we created a HUGE problem for churches across the country. I don't know where this is all headed. I'm not sure I really care. I can find churches near me that preach the gospel. And, they don't have bloated governances that do nothing but waste money and create stress.

27 posted on 02/28/2019 6:17:31 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them!it)
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To: dp0622

...Not into positions of leadership when they are proud of being gay.

I understand
All of us sin, this is merely true
But Pride in sin is a far greater error
And to teach that “Pride” is horrific


28 posted on 02/28/2019 6:17:43 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Gamecock

Is it Friday yet?


29 posted on 02/28/2019 6:24:47 AM PST by blue-duncan
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To: Gamecock
We prayed for openness to different points of view, unity, communion, gracious listening, holy conferencing, empathetic feelings, and generosity of spirt.

It didn’t work.

That's because they prayed for the wrong things.

Pray for Truth, righteousness, and to follow God's will.

30 posted on 02/28/2019 6:25:49 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Gamecock
Traditional Plan, which reaffirms the denomination’s prohibitions against same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy, was approved.

Traditional Plan, which reaffirms the BIBLICAL prohibitions against same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy, was approved.

There. Fixed it.

The history of the Methodist Church is that they often split over controversy. The churches that adhere to the Bible thrive and the others die off.

31 posted on 02/28/2019 6:29:25 AM PST by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: Gamecock

I would assume that LGBT’s are like anyone else who may be seeking a spiritual community....finding one that welcomes them. That does not mean that all possibilities for finding such a community requires that they be welcoming to all LGBT’s.


32 posted on 02/28/2019 6:33:10 AM PST by yetidog
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To: Gamecock

Start your own LGBQTXYYZZV church.


33 posted on 02/28/2019 6:37:08 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus" maneo)
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To: DungeonMaster
The downhill spiral starts when you allow women to be pastors.

The downhill spiral starts when you ask the question Did God really say...?

34 posted on 02/28/2019 6:37:18 AM PST by Gamecock (In church today, we so often find we meet only the same old world, not Christ and His Kingdom. AS)
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To: CondorFlight

“Maybe the church doesn’t bend its beliefs to suit pc agendas.”

They are already hugely anti-gun so might as well go all the way and get all fruited up.


35 posted on 02/28/2019 6:40:04 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus" maneo)
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To: Gamecock

‘’We’ve lost 30% of our membership’

Including me. This guy doesn’t realize that the 30% left because of pastors/ministers/bishops like him. If Methodist leaders can’t follow the Bible without turning it’s words upside down, there is no point in attending. I left the Methodist Church a week after 9/11. My pastor blamed the terrorist attack on ‘world hunger’ and said from the pulpit ‘we must redistribute the wealth so that everyone has enough’. Buh-bye, Socialist Church.


36 posted on 02/28/2019 6:49:05 AM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell.)
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To: Gamecock

I’ve got news from the author. The homosexual marriage and LBGTQ...ABCDEFG, Pro Abortion crowd were never going to be the savior of the church. They don’t go to church in large numbers and indeed mock Christians at every opportunity. So, by rejecting the actual teachings of Christ and embracing left-wing pop culture, the UMC has alienated those who would actually join the church, without actually gaining the millennial hipster / everything goes / if it feels good do it crowd to replace them. The goal of the radical left is to destroy the church not “save it”. They will continue to apply pressure until the bible has been replaced with the little red book of progressive ideology and when that finally happens, they will still sit home on Sunday mornings. They won’t fill the pews or the offering plate and they will celebrate when the last church closes it’s doors for the last time.

And even if, the UMC could replace those old bible believing Christians with twice as many new progressives that reject everything that the Church and the Bible have taught for over 2000 years, “what good does it profit a (church) to gain the world and forfeit its soul?


37 posted on 02/28/2019 6:54:37 AM PST by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Gamecock
* I went to the historic Episcopal 'Church of Saint Mary the Virgin' in NYC not long ago. The priest and his minions were prancing fairies.
* Then I went to a Methodist Church in South Carolina. The pastor was a bulldagger, aka a butch lesbian.
* I've had it with church
38 posted on 02/28/2019 6:59:41 AM PST by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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To: Gamecock
“I shifted my own prayers to, “Lord, please melt the hardened hearts and smite everyone who intends to vote against the One Church Plan.” This plan, recommended by the UMC bishops, aimed to give more discretion to local churches and annual conferences in LGBTQ inclusion, ministry, and mission.”

Violent SOB, isn’t he?

39 posted on 02/28/2019 7:13:05 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Gamecock

Scripture supersedes political correctness.


40 posted on 02/28/2019 7:13:16 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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