Andy flunked kindergarten Sunday School.
Posted on 09/25/2018 10:56:13 AM PDT by OddLane
Despite the fact that God expresses His love for the righteous throughout the Old Testament – Jew and gentile alike – in a new book, one of America’s biggest mega-pastors claims the Hebrew Scriptures portray Him as “unapproachable,” living behind a curtain with love reserved only “for His covenant people,” suggesting He is a different deity than the one portrayed in the New Testament.
It’s the latest shocking suggestion from Andy Stanley, whose suburban Atlanta congregation exceed 34,000 attendees and a national following.
He writes in “Irresistible: Reclaiming the New that Jesus Unleashed on the World,” released last week, that the concept of a loving God is a “uniquely Christian idea.”
In chapter 18 of his book, he cites 1 John: 4:16 with what he calls a “unique” theological statement: “God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.”
“John equated God with love,” he writes. “This was novel. This was unique. This would change the world. God is love is a uniquely Christian idea.”
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
“but I’m pretty sure the Jews believe/d G-d is the essence of love”
Correct.
Andy flunked kindergarten Sunday School.
Agreed. OT is full of Jesus.
Darn straight I reject J.C. as my "savior". As a Jew, I declare this every single day in the Shema prayer. For Jews, there is but ONE G-d and that's G-d. Nobody else. J.C. is nothing but a possible historical footnote to me, as a Jew. He is not a part of my religion, so any and all of your ridiculous, untrue claims regarding Jews' possession of Israel are just so much blah-blah-blah. How dare you claim that Jews are cut off from G-d because they do not acknowledge J.C. as part of their religion? Go grab one of those plastic milk cartons from the back of your local grocery store and stand on it to set yourself up with your so-called "truths". Scream it until your throat is raw; it still won't make it true.
:-)
I’m southern baptist
Saved in 1967
Jews simply didn’t come up like now back then....we studied Hebrew history and the division of the tribes and the diaspora and so forth but Jesus ethnicity was hardly a focal point us viewing Jesus as being supernatural and not of this world and here for all of us
Jews brought the old covenant and then rejected the new and we felt bad for them cause it looked thst had sure brought them the tribulations they had been warned about from before Moses even..
Not directed at you but I see a whole lot of envy of Jews from modern day Christians especially here with certain more Jewish than Jews sects I’d never heard of till Free Republic....and they live to call folks anti Semite of bigot and generally are anti southern.....
I was raised we didn’t blame them but we didn’t want to be them and we were not envious of them as chosen
I wished them the best but frankly I feared they had passed on what I thought was a good deal ..but I hoped things worked out for them at some point....it wasn’t my providence
I’ve had a lifetime of Jewish interaction and business partners and lovers..two....one a famous liberal Jewish lawyer ...I was like a forbidden goy john Wayne..lol....she was sweet but so misled
I like Jews intellect and moxie but I’m under no illusion that the majority in the USA don’t much cotton to people like me and are very big in working against my worldview
It’s almost providential....well I mean it is actually
Which makes me view this modern fixation ....at least to me ....obsession with Christianity as an extension of Judaism with suspicion
Jews sure don’t see themselves like some good luck charm to the end times....it’s like when all the Hells Angels are eyeballing the virgin at the bonfire
Jews have felt the brunt of Christian obsession before .....I’m no fan of liberal Jews but they have a point there
You do want you like....that’s freedom of religion
My hope is more Jews one day see he light..the light I see
Beyond that it’s just not something I feel compelled about
I do know we have folks here who will be offended
I don’t care
I support Israel cause I like Israelis....great women which always helps.....they are decent people in a sea of varying degrees of madness
Plus I’m Ulster Scot descended.....we’ve always been pro Israel
It’s not religious for me.....except Christ’s history there makes it special
Like I said this is all foreign to me
I sat through Sunday mornings and Sunday nights ans Wednesday nights and bible school and camp from 1963-1975 and never ever heard our preacher opine on Jews the way some evangelicals do today....ever
They were off our radar except when the klan bombed the local Beth Israel and we let them use our sanctuary Friday nights till it was rebuilt
Freedom Rider days and lots of yankee Jews were freedom riders and our local southern Jews got guilt by association even though most southern Jews wanted distance from the freedom riders who tended to be far left
SNVCC
Of course now they are all heroes to the media
And God's judgment for sin fell on Jesus, so He is still just for punishing sin, His justice is satisfied, but for those who put their trust in Jesus, they are under His protection and covering so the justice they deserve for their sin doesn't fall on them since it fell on Jesus.
For those outside of the protection of Christ, they do have the consequences for their own sin.
Yes, yes, but same Gd. There is only the One!
“Every single early Christian in the early Church was a Jew.”
Sure, as long as you aren’t counting Luke. The Colossian letter differentiates Luke from followers who are of the circumcision, indicating that Luke’s culture was gentile. And Luke’s usage of pronouns in Acts suggests that he was a native of Troas, a region of Greek cities on the west coast of what today is Turkey.
“I sat through Sunday mornings and Sunday nights ans Wednesday nights and bible school and camp from 1963-1975 and never ever heard our preacher opine on Jews the way some evangelicals do today....ever”
That’s probably because the Calvary Chapel influence was still limited mostly to SoCal. Because that’s where a lot of the focus on Jews and Israel is coming from. It’s part of their End Times dispensational theology.
Jesus Christ said it. Here are the precise scripture:
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Matthew 21:42-44
Jesus Christ, whose name you cannot say, has been highly exalted by God.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:9-11
http://twopowersinheaven.com
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segalTwenty-five years ago, rabbinical scholar Alan Segal produced what is still the major work on the idea of two powers in heaven in Jewish thought. Segal argued that the two powers idea was not deemed heretical in Jewish theology until the second century C.E. He carefully traced the roots of the teaching back into the Second Temple era (ca. 200 B.C.E.). Segal was able to establish that the idea’s antecedents were in the Hebrew Bible, specifically passages like Dan 7:9ff., Exo 23:20-23, and Exo 15:3. However, he was unable to discern any coherent religious framework from which these passages and others were conceptually derived. Persian dualism was unacceptable as an explanation since neither of the two powers in heaven were evil. Segal speculated that the divine warrior imagery of the broader ancient near east likely had some relationship.”
Yes correct, Luke was a Greek Doctor. He’s the exception however. I’m speaking of the early “early” Church. As the Church spread, it’s Gentile population grew as well naturally.
For KJV yes. I copied NIV. Still salvation is to the Jew first.
Since you attribute this stuff to J.C., it has absolutely ZERO meaning to Jews. He is not any part of Judaism, so I could care less what you claim he pronounces about Jews. Hindus can claim that their deity says such and so about Jews---doesn't mean a thing to me or any other Jew. Buddhists can claim that their deity says such and so about Jews---doesn't mean a thing to me or any other Jew. Just because someone wrote this down and claimed it had meaning for Jews certainly does NOT give it meaning for Jews. It's completely a part of YOUR religion. Not mine. So, your writings can chastise Jews to your heart's content for not wanting to be on your team, but it is absolutely meaningless outside of your religion. I always appreciate people trying to graft their religion onto mine or warn me about the consequences of not following their religion.
What a chutzpah! Like I said, I daily declare that there is only one G-d and that He alone is my deity. Judaism is the only religion I'm interested in. You notice, you NEVER see Jews here trying to browbeat non-Jews into becoming Jews? You follow your religion, you should live and be well, and I'll follow mine---without any additions from your religion, thank you.
Alan Segal was a typical Reform Jew. He looked at Judaism as a species to be studied, and gave it no more importance or emotional involvement than a microbiologist would give a particular strain of bacteria. Since he was not a practicing Jew and had no emotional connection to Judaism, he felt free to equate Judaism to other religions, pick it apart, and make connections which may have looked good on secular paper, but were totally baloney to anyone who is truly steeped in Jewish learning. His writings were 100% secular, based on human logic, and therefore antithetical to Judaism.
These are the same people who claim that not keeping kosher these days is "justified" and then proceed to provide a flurry of scientific reasons. That is not the point of keeping kosher; you do it because G-d commanded it of you. He doesn't have to justify His commandment with human logic, such as "it's more sanitary", etc. But secular people like Segal, who are not involved with following the religion, but study it at arm's length, would insist on "rationalizing" every practice.
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“You notice, you NEVER see Jews here trying to browbeat non-Jews into becoming Jews?”
Jonah went to a Gentile nation, also:
“Yea, He saith, ‘It is too light a thing for you to be My servant, to establish the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the scions of Israel, and I shall submit you as a light unto the nations, to be My salvation until the end of the earth’ Isaiah 49:6.
“I the LORD have called unto you in righteousness, and have taken hold of your hand, and submitted you as the people’s covenant, as a light unto the nations” Isaiah 42:6.
“And unto your light, nations shall walk, and kings unto the brightness of your rising” Isaiah 60:3.
Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah.
He is the King of Israel.
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PS, i don’t think I’m ethnically Jewish, but people thought my grandfather “looked Jewish”....
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