Vatican Advisor: Pope ‘Breaks Catholic Traditions Whenever He Wants’

The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 8/14/18 | Staff Reporter

[marshmallow]

Fr Thomas Rosica said the Church is now 'ruled by an individual rather than by... its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture'

Under Pope Francis, the Church is now “openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture,” a Vatican advisor has said.

In an admiring portrait of the Pope, Fr Thomas Rosica wrote that Francis “breaks Catholic traditions whenever he wants” because he is “free from disordered attachments”.

Fr Rosica, a Canadian priest and media advisor to the Vatican, was writing on the website of Salt & Light Catholic Media Foundation, of which he is CEO.

The article, written two weeks ago, was republished by the news agency Zenit. After Fr Rosica’s statements came to attention on social media, Zenit removed the controversial statement and replaced it with “[…]”.

Fr Rosica said that, as a Jesuit, Pope Francis is guided by the principle of “discernment” which at times results in “freeing him from the confinement of doing something in a certain way because it was ever thus”.

[irishjuggler]

Not saying PF is the Antichrist, but if he were the Antichrist, I’m not sure the playbook would be much different than this. To assert that PF eclipses scripture and tradition is just beyond the pale. It’s an assertion that PF is not the servant of the Church but rather the master. No servant can serve two masters. Is Jesus Christ the master, or is it PF?

[Bayard]

“Freed from disordered attachments”... Sounds like the advisor is all ready to declare the canonization of Pope Francis.

Very few Saints achieved total freedom from disordered attachments. That’s the same as saying perfect virtue.

[BipolarBob]

Has PF walked on water yet? IF he is a true successor of Peter with all of the POWER and AUTHORITY of Peter,where’s the proof?

[NKP_Vet]

Bergoglio is Jesuit. The vast majority of Jesuits quit being Catholic years ago.

[metmom]

In an admiring portrait of the Pope, Fr Thomas Rosica wrote that Francis “breaks Catholic traditions whenever he wants” because he is “free from disordered attachments”.

He's *free from disordered attachments*????

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

[Just mythoughts]

Pappy Francis is not the ‘anti-Christ’... but he sure is playing the role of what the ‘anti-Christ’ will do/be... deceiver of all deceivers, but, the anti-Christ will not preach in a flesh body... By the way ‘the church’ is not, does not equal Christ. There are 7 churches described in the book of Revelation, as to what their standing is based upon their doctrines.

[bantam]

this guy is a heretic—love to see him gone!

[FNU LNU]

Of course. Didn’t some guy say?

He that is faithful in a very little is faithful also in much: and he that is unrighteous in a very little is unrighteous also in much. (Lk. 16.10)

[circlecity]

"What the heck is that supposed to mean?"

I think it means he's not a Christian so he doesn't have to worry about everything that goes with that.

[YogicCowboy]

I knew he would:

Jesuit. Argentine. Francis I.

[daniel1212]

Under Pope Francis, the Church is now “openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture,” a Vatican advisor has said.

Maybe he literally believes that,

"the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered," (CCC 882)

Can. 331 By virtue of his office he possesses supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, which he is always able to exercise freely.

Can. 1404 M The First See is judged by no one. Code of Canon Law - IntraText

First Vatican Council: So, then, if anyone says that the Roman Pontiff has merely an office of supervision and guidance, and not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the whole Church, and this not only in matters of faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church dispersed throughout the whole world; or that he has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the Churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema. [so much for the EOs] — First Vatican Council, Chapter 3 (1869-1870)

That he himself may be judged by no one. - http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/g7-dictpap.asp

"We read that the Roman Pontiff has pronounced judgments on the prelates of all the churches; we do not read that anybody has pronounced sentence on him"... The reason for which is stated thus: "there is no authority greater than that of the Apostolic See"... "That which the First See has not approved of cannot stand;..." — Leo XIII - Satis cognitum; http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum_en.html

Whether a pope can be declared a heretic, contrary to his own supreme judgment, and thus cease to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church, and thus be deposed against his will, is matter of debate (which it seems only a pope can settle). Arguing against this, Cajetan Bellarmine states,

For if the Church deposes the Pope against his will it is certainly above the Pope...it must be observed in the first place that, from the fact that the Pope deposes bishops, it is deduced that the Pope is above all the bishops, though the Pope on deposing a bishop does not destroy the episcopal jurisdiction, but only separates it from that person. In the second place, to depose anyone from the pontificate against the will of the deposed, is without doubt punishing him; however, to punish is proper to a superior or to a judge. In the third place, given that according to Cajetan and the other Thomists, in reality the whole and the parts taken as a whole are the same thing, he who has authority over the parts taken as a whole, being able to separate them one from another, has also authority over the whole itself which is constituted by those parts. - https://www.fisheaters.com/bellarmine.html

Moreover, 'the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors," "to suffer themselves to be guided and led in all things that touch upon faith or morals by the Holy Church of God through its Supreme Pastor the Roman Pontiff," "of submitting with docility to their judgment," with "no discussions regarding what he orders or demands, or up to what point obedience must go, and in what things he is to be obeyed... not only in person, but with letters and other public documents ;" and 'not limit the field in which he might and must exercise his authority, " for "obedience must not limit itself to matters which touch the faith: its sphere is much more vast: it extends to all matters which the episcopal power embraces," and not set up "some kind of opposition between one Pontiff and another. Those who, faced with two differing directives, reject the present one to hold to the past, are not giving proof of obedience to the authority which has the right and duty to guide them," "Nor must it be thought that what is expounded in Encyclical Letters does not of itself demand consent." (Sources http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3578348/posts?page=14#14)

[ealgeone]

Betcha a penny the vast majority of Roman Catholics are not aware of the "rules" you posted.

Appreciate your work as always.

[fishtank]

Could you put me on your ping list?

GREAT post...

[Elsie]

Vatican Advisor: Pope ‘Breaks Catholic Traditions Whenever He Wants’

Well; why NOT??!!??

It's not like they're chiseled in stone or something.

[Elsie]

Not saying PF is the Antichrist, but if he were the Antichrist, I’m not sure the playbook would be much different than this.

Some folks are probably wondering just what IS the 'anti-Christ'...

Let's look in the BIBLE; instead of what a dictionary might say.

 

 

      

 

These are the only places, in the bible, that the word antichrist is found.

 

 

 

1 John 2:18
  Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
 
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist —denying the Father and the Son.
 
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist , which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist .

 

 

 

 

(Many tend to think that Revelation has a reference or two...)
 

[Elsie]

It’s quite clear; from the pages of FR; just what an Anti-Unum Sanctum is!

[piusv]

Those are excellent quotes. This is why sedevacantists look to the Catholic teaching of Saint Bellarmine, Doctor of the Church, on the matter of a heretic pope:

Therefore, the true opinion is the fifth, according to which the Pope who is manifestly a heretic ceases by himself to be Pope and head, in the same way as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; and for this reason he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the opinion of all the ancient Fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction..

First, manifest heretic ceases by himself to be pope (and therefore no longer pope, so can be judged)

Second, Church official declaration of the first (therefore not judging "the pope").

[Elsie]

Bergoglio is Jesuit. The vast majority of Jesuits quit being Catholic years ago.

Two men considering a religious vocation were having a conversation. "What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders? " the one asked.

The second replied, "Well, they were both founded by Spaniards -- St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits. 
They were also both founded to combat heresy -- the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants." 

"What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?" 

"Met any Albigensians lately?" 

[Elsie]

... the anti-Christ will not preach in a flesh body.

Uh...

Just where did you learn this?