Posted on 03/23/2018 12:43:24 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress
This is a continuation of the thread where we looked at common English says that were found in the King James Bible.
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3638962/posts?q=1&;page=1
Now we will look at scientific facts from the Authorized version . . .
Would to God that people that are not fans of the Bible for the English-speaking people be convinced that it is much more than a mere Bible version - but the Book that God has used for 400 years to the saving of countless souls for Christ.
Particles pop in and out of real existence in that field. As the latent energy increases, do you think there are more frequent 'pops' or less frequent?
To assert donkeys can never talk is to assume God can’t make them talk.
But making donkeys talk is a lesser accomplishment than creating the universe.
Thus, to assert God can’t make donkeys talk is to assume God didn’t make the universe.
So the whole point you’re trying to make must be preceded by the assertion that the God of the Bible doesn’t exist.
Therefore, to assert that donkeys can’t talk is not a statement demonstrating God doesn’t exist; rather, it is based on the first premise that God doesn’t exist. And this first premise is founded on nothing.
Scientists didn't discover this until 400 years ago.
No need to remember; this you can actually try!
HMMMmmm...
I hear this idea a lot, here in the religion forum; and they'll even use KJV verse; too!
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
This is true; but in the southern hemisphere, the shadow moves COUNTER-clockwise!
(We can tell the sundial gained prominence in the North due to the word 'clockwise' - the way the shadow moves on a horizontal dial.)
(We can tell the sundial gained prominence in the North due to the word ‘clockwise’ - the way the shadow moves on a horizontal dial.)
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I had a sundial, but it broke real quick. It went on the fritz every night!
“The Creator is also ‘in’ spacetime, in the Universe He created. “
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I suppose that might depend on how a person defines “in”, something like a “Clinton what is-is” parsing.
But it’s safe to assume God has indeed has been in what we know as space & time, with the space/time obviously impacting the presence of Jesus - as it does us all.
Look at the rest of this verse . . .
“. . . and hangeth the earth upon nothing.”
Have you ever heard anything more unscientific than the earth hanging out in space on nothing? Everybody knew at the time this Book was written – everybody with an half an ounce of sense – with a little bit of education – with some science behind them – EVERYBODY knew that the earth was flat, it was being held up by a couple of elephants, and those elephants were on that back of a large turtle, and that turtle was walking through space . . . EVERYONE KNEW THAT! You didn’t know that? They didn’t teach you that? Don’t tell me that they threw out your science textbook and gave you another one! Don’t tell me that your science textbook got archaic! Don’t tell me that it got all outdated when this One here which is 400 years older than your textbook never did get outdated!
That doesn’t make sense does it? You know what they did? They shot something up into space and they put a camera on it and they turned it back and the elephants never roared and the turtle never smiled – and you know what, they found that the earth was hung upon nothing. But before anyone believed that the earth was hung upon nothing, the writer of Job said that the earth was hung upon nothing.
Now look, people. This Bible says some outrageous things, doesn’t it? I mean, you know, ‘the earth is hung upon nothing?’ and ‘there is an empty place in space?’ ‘And the moon doesn’t shine?’ Those things are very unscientific, aren’t they?
You want to know something else that is very unscientific?
And yet not one secular historian of the time knows anything about any of those things. Deeds enough to fill more volumes than the world can hold and yet not ONE secular record.
Hmmmm... indeed.
That is a LIE. You haven’t read the historians of that period, obviously. When you lie regarding Jesus, you reveal the spirit within you.
There are no secular historical accounts from the time that Jesus is purported to have existed that record any of his deeds.
“Testimonium Flavianum,” the relevant portion declares:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.{17}
From an essay on the subject, summarizing:
First, both Josephus and Lucian indicate that Jesus was regarded as wise.
Second, Pliny, the Talmud, and Lucian imply He was a powerful and revered teacher.
Third, both Josephus and the Talmud indicate He performed miraculous feats.
Fourth, Tacitus, Josephus, the Talmud, and Lucian all mention that He was crucified. Tacitus and Josephus say this occurred under Pontius Pilate. And the Talmud declares it happened on the eve of Passover.
Fifth, there are possible references to the Christian belief in Jesus’ resurrection in both Tacitus and Josephus. Sixth, Josephus records that Jesus’ followers believed He was the Christ, or Messiah. And finally, both Pliny and Lucian indicate that Christians worshipped Jesus as God!
PP, God is not mocked. Be very careful how you slander Him, The Christ, and His family members, namely Born from above Christians. You think you seek wisdom or are purveying wisdom, but that is hollow: 1 Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
To His closest disciples Jesus said ‘If you have seen me you have seen the Father, for I am in the Father and the Father is in me.’ (John 14)
You want to know something else that is very unscientific?
“I’ll fly away Oh glory, I’ll fly away.”
I’m going to leave. You know how I’m going to leave? I’m going to fly. You know what I’m going to do one of these days? My body is going to leave this earth. Now, does that sound unscientific? Not on your life. Not if I’m not in a 747 or a L-1011, or a Concorde, or something like that.
Why, no man can fly, right? You need to get your hang glider or your ultra-lite, no one is going to get off the ground without something like that, right?
I’m going on God-power!
You say, that sounds pretty crazy – yea, so does the fact that the earth is hung upon nothing pretty crazy. Till it’s been proven.
Second, The Antiquities of The Jews was written in the mid 90s. That is a 65 or so year gap.
Third, The "Testimonium Flavianum" is a 4th Century forgery. It was unknown and unquoted until that time. It was written most likely by Eusebius. Earlier Church fathers had access to Josephus and used him extensively. They don't know anything about this passage.
Must have been a singularity.
How old was the author of The Revelation of John when he wrote that? If you see / witness something when you are eighteen and write about it 65 years later, is it any less valid an eyewitness account?
You asserted, “And there is no objective reason to privilege one ancient societies’ stories over another.” You are wrong, again. There is one belief system where the one of Whom is written came out of the grave after being crucified on a Roman cross. If you want objective reasons for the Resurrection of Jesus, why don’t you ask, instead of spewing such negativity and bitterness?
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