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1 posted on 03/11/2018 11:47:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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As sinners we are all guilty.


2 posted on 03/11/2018 11:56:50 PM PDT by Bogie
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I sure heard enough from my Irish grandfather about it.


4 posted on 03/12/2018 12:08:11 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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A nice write up.

As others have said, all of humanity since and including Adam and Eve are the "cause" of Jesus's death and sacrifice

Jesus' death was a necessary act, a pure sacrifice to save us, part of God's plan, so in a way the people who hammered the nails into Him, the ones who judged Him and the ones who mocked Him all did it according to God's plan (not that God directed them, but it was according to plan)

The people who ultimately condemned Jesus were the Jews and the ones who killed Him were the non-Jews.

Both are culpable, yet if either had not played their part, the great salvation of humanity would not have happened.

To hate Jews for killing one of their own, their own Messiah, Savior and God ignores this -- to hate Jews since the 1st century is simplistic idocism.

I remember the anecdote of an old Jewish lady who fell and was sent to a Catholic hospital -- the nuns were afraid she would not like to wake up and see a big crucifix in her room and asked her daughter. The old lady said "Why should I be upset? To see one of our own boys who did so good?"

5 posted on 03/12/2018 12:08:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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6 posted on 03/12/2018 12:35:29 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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The article starts off with the question "Who was responsible? The Jews or the Romans?"

This type of question never fails to annoy and anger me. Citing groups as responsible for actions betrays intellectual laziness. Groups cannot act, only individuals can act, even a herd mentality comes from individual decisions to join the herd.

It was neither "the Jews" nor "the Romans" it was specific individuals in positions of authority who made the decisions to try and then crucify Jesus.

These individuals, including Pilate and his advisors (it is unlikely that he would have decided without talking to his staff), specific Pharisees, and specific Sanhedrin who pushed these groups to end the life of someone they saw as a threat.

The names of these people (aside from Pilate, IIRC) are lost to history, and they long ago faced the consequences of their actions.

Our Lord does not judge us as part of a group, we are judged as individuals.

7 posted on 03/12/2018 12:54:13 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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Jesus was not given a fair trial by the Temple rulers... who broke their own rules to shanghai this man whom they were so jealous of, they conspired to kill Lazarus AGAIN, after they knew he had been raised from the dead, and they posted a stone at the front of Christ’s tomb to prevent problems with His body later.

As to whether or not the Jews enforced capital punishment, the regularly stoned people to death according to Jewish law

1. The stoning of the woman caught in adultery (but not the man...)

2. The stoning to death of Stephen

3. The attempted stoning of Jesus after He dared read the Messianic passages of Isaiah in His hometown....

The Jews were the controlling factor for the Romans.

Pilate repeatedly asked who should be set free that day, and the crowd called out “Jesus” and prophetically “Let His blood be upon our heads and that of our children!”

And His blood is upon all our heads, lest we accept Him and His propituary sacrifice for our sins. (Praise You Lord Jesus).


8 posted on 03/12/2018 12:55:01 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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Mankind crucified Jesus. That was the physical act. God had Jesus crucified as part of His greater plan


9 posted on 03/12/2018 1:26:36 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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While the Romans did the deed, the blame is laid at the feet of the Jews because of this.

Matthew 27:24-26 So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves.” And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” Then he released for them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him to be crucified.

13 posted on 03/12/2018 2:51:48 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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It was the will of the Father that this be done for the salvation of our souls.


14 posted on 03/12/2018 2:56:13 AM PDT by rwa265
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How many people would be impressed by the concept of a Savior who “died in prison serving a life sentence without possibility of parole for our sins”?


15 posted on 03/12/2018 3:59:29 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Who was responsible? The Jews or the Romans?

Well; if we read the widespread Book that contains the reports of this world-changing event...

18 posted on 03/12/2018 4:57:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Jesus himself the Jews were most to blame. He told Pilate: “He who delivered me over to you has the greater sin” Jn 19.11


20 posted on 03/12/2018 5:27:54 AM PDT by circlecity
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I am not being facetious when I say “Jesus Christ Superstar” got it right.

In JCS they mashed up and summarized Scripture and the story line ended being an insistence of the Jewish leadership to kill Jesus and an ambivalent but accommodating Rome performing the execution.


28 posted on 03/12/2018 5:45:16 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo took 8 years to try to destroy us. Trump took 1 to rebuild us. MAGA!!)
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The area was not called Palestine until after AD 73 when the Romans renamed it. It is Judea.


29 posted on 03/12/2018 6:03:21 AM PDT by captain_dave
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Who was responsible? The Jews or the Romans?

Neither. Both were acting under Divine intervention from God the Father.

How could our sins be washed away in His blood, if there was no blood spilled? Jesus was destined to life, death, and resurrection all along, beginning with the immaculate conception.

Where would we all be if Jesus wasn't crucified? John 3:16.

30 posted on 03/12/2018 6:12:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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We all did.


31 posted on 03/12/2018 6:14:48 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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We all did.


33 posted on 03/12/2018 6:58:06 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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"When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." (Matthew 27:24-25)
34 posted on 03/12/2018 7:02:07 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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Yashua was prophesied to die for our sins. He laid down his life voluntarily and paid our debt to God. Nobody, Jew or Roman took it; and stupid people down through the centuries blamed Jews for His death.


36 posted on 03/12/2018 7:16:30 AM PDT by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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Cross ping


37 posted on 03/12/2018 7:42:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts." - Sgt. Joe Friday)
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