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Who Killed Jesus? The Historical Context of Jesus’ Crucifixion
Zondervan Academic ^ | April 11, 2017 | ZA Blog

Posted on 03/11/2018 11:47:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 03/11/2018 11:47:13 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As sinners we are all guilty.


2 posted on 03/11/2018 11:56:50 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: Bogie

Yes

And no one could do it forcefully except He chose to die - Thank God (for His Sacrifice)

John 10:17-18 King James Version (KJV)

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


3 posted on 03/12/2018 12:01:22 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I sure heard enough from my Irish grandfather about it.


4 posted on 03/12/2018 12:08:11 AM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A nice write up.

As others have said, all of humanity since and including Adam and Eve are the "cause" of Jesus's death and sacrifice

Jesus' death was a necessary act, a pure sacrifice to save us, part of God's plan, so in a way the people who hammered the nails into Him, the ones who judged Him and the ones who mocked Him all did it according to God's plan (not that God directed them, but it was according to plan)

The people who ultimately condemned Jesus were the Jews and the ones who killed Him were the non-Jews.

Both are culpable, yet if either had not played their part, the great salvation of humanity would not have happened.

To hate Jews for killing one of their own, their own Messiah, Savior and God ignores this -- to hate Jews since the 1st century is simplistic idocism.

I remember the anecdote of an old Jewish lady who fell and was sent to a Catholic hospital -- the nuns were afraid she would not like to wake up and see a big crucifix in her room and asked her daughter. The old lady said "Why should I be upset? To see one of our own boys who did so good?"

5 posted on 03/12/2018 12:08:49 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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6 posted on 03/12/2018 12:35:29 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The article starts off with the question "Who was responsible? The Jews or the Romans?"

This type of question never fails to annoy and anger me. Citing groups as responsible for actions betrays intellectual laziness. Groups cannot act, only individuals can act, even a herd mentality comes from individual decisions to join the herd.

It was neither "the Jews" nor "the Romans" it was specific individuals in positions of authority who made the decisions to try and then crucify Jesus.

These individuals, including Pilate and his advisors (it is unlikely that he would have decided without talking to his staff), specific Pharisees, and specific Sanhedrin who pushed these groups to end the life of someone they saw as a threat.

The names of these people (aside from Pilate, IIRC) are lost to history, and they long ago faced the consequences of their actions.

Our Lord does not judge us as part of a group, we are judged as individuals.

7 posted on 03/12/2018 12:54:13 AM PDT by drop 50 and fire for effect ("Work relentlessly, accomplish much, remain in the background, and be more than you seem.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Jesus was not given a fair trial by the Temple rulers... who broke their own rules to shanghai this man whom they were so jealous of, they conspired to kill Lazarus AGAIN, after they knew he had been raised from the dead, and they posted a stone at the front of Christ’s tomb to prevent problems with His body later.

As to whether or not the Jews enforced capital punishment, the regularly stoned people to death according to Jewish law

1. The stoning of the woman caught in adultery (but not the man...)

2. The stoning to death of Stephen

3. The attempted stoning of Jesus after He dared read the Messianic passages of Isaiah in His hometown....

The Jews were the controlling factor for the Romans.

Pilate repeatedly asked who should be set free that day, and the crowd called out “Jesus” and prophetically “Let His blood be upon our heads and that of our children!”

And His blood is upon all our heads, lest we accept Him and His propituary sacrifice for our sins. (Praise You Lord Jesus).


8 posted on 03/12/2018 12:55:01 AM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus, please frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised in Your Word)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Mankind crucified Jesus. That was the physical act. God had Jesus crucified as part of His greater plan


9 posted on 03/12/2018 1:26:36 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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This was a shadow from the old testament. This is what the temple was built for. Jesus is the “Lamb of God”, Spotless, with no blemish. Abraham sent to sacrifice his son, His hand was stayed and The Lord provided the sacrifice. The Lambs blood covered the Old Testament requirement. The priests performed the sacrifice. That was their job.

It all happened as it was supposed to happen. It’s ‘human sighted’ to think that there was someone to blame here. The romans were just the knife that the priests used to perform the sacrifice. Their hand was force by the priests because of the way the laws were being interpreted and enforced.

This is how the evil will ultimately be defeated. Because people lean on their own understanding instead of trusting the Lord with all their heart. The conflict of human nature, as terrible as it is, and beautiful as it can be, being the fuel that drives the engine of salvation.

We write articles like this because we don’t want to acknowledge the role that God has in these events. The Priests, the Roman Governor, the Soldiers, the Crowd... They all thought they were doing the right thing. The only one who knew this was wrong, and did it anyway was the evil that sought to destroy the work that was being done. The Darkness failed on that day.

In my opinion, we mitigate that failure when we forget these things.


10 posted on 03/12/2018 1:55:03 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.)
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To: Sontagged; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Jesus was not given a fair trial by the Temple rulers... who broke their own rules to shanghai this man whom they were so jealous of, they conspired to kill Lazarus AGAIN, after they knew he had been raised from the dead, and they posted a stone at the front of Christ’s tomb to prevent problems with His body later. As to whether or not the Jews enforced capital punishment, the regularly stoned people to death according to Jewish law 1. The stoning of the woman caught in adultery (but not the man...) 2. The stoning to death of Stephen 3. The attempted stoning of Jesus after He dared read the Messianic passages of Isaiah in His hometown.... The Jews were the controlling factor for the Romans. Pilate repeatedly asked who should be set free that day, and the crowd called out “Jesus” and prophetically “Let His blood be upon our heads and that of our children!” And His blood is upon all our heads, lest we accept Him and His propituary sacrifice for our sins. (Praise You Lord Jesus).

If the question "who killed Christ" refers to direct human instrumentality, then it is the Romans, but if the question is who had Him put to death, then it is the Jews:

Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: (1 Thessalonians 2:15)

But since according to "the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain," (Acts 2:23), then it is God who spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, (Romans 8:32) effectively put His Son to death, by His Son's consent, for "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." (John 10:18)

Yet since it was our sins that necessitated this Death and Resurrection if we were to be saved, thus he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed, (Isaiah 53:5) Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed, (1 Peter 2:24) , then we all are responsible for His death. Glory to God.

Not let the redeemed sing one of the most theological gospel classical hymns:

1. One day when Heaven was filled with His praises, One day when sin was as black as could be, Jesus came forth to be born of a virgin, Dwelt among men, my example is He!

Refrain: Living, He loved me; dying, He saved me; Buried, He carried my sins far away; Rising, He justified freely forever; One day He’s coming—oh, glorious day!

2. One day they led Him up Calvary’s mountain, One day they nailed Him to die on the tree; Suffering anguish, despised and rejected: Bearing our sins, my Redeemer is He!

3. One day they left Him alone in the garden, One day He rested, from suffering free; Angels came down o’er His tomb to keep vigil; Hope of the hopeless, my Savior is He!

4. One day the grave could conceal Him no longer, One day the stone rolled away from the door; Then He arose, over death He had conquered; Now is ascended, my Lord evermore!

5. One day the trumpet will sound for His coming, One day the skies with His glories will shine; Wonderful day, my beloved ones bringing; Glorious Savior, this Jesus is mine!

ONE DAY | J. Wilbur Chapman, 1908

11 posted on 03/12/2018 2:24:23 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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“If the question “who killed Christ” refers to direct human instrumentality, then it is the Romans, but if the question is who had Him put to death, then it is the Jews:”

If I say to myself, “It was all just a terrible mistake that snowballed out of control”...I can see how things could end up being so controversial because who among them would have wanted to take the blame for something so hideous? I think the perpetrators had “MeToo” syndrome, or something similar to that. It would have taken another Jesus to keep this Jesus off of the cross.


12 posted on 03/12/2018 2:48:22 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
While the Romans did the deed, the blame is laid at the feet of the Jews because of this.

Matthew 27:24-26 So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man's blood; see to it yourselves.” And all the people answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” Then he released for them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him to be crucified.

13 posted on 03/12/2018 2:51:48 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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It was the will of the Father that this be done for the salvation of our souls.


14 posted on 03/12/2018 2:56:13 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How many people would be impressed by the concept of a Savior who “died in prison serving a life sentence without possibility of parole for our sins”?


15 posted on 03/12/2018 3:59:29 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Bogie

Indeed.
This type of article takes the readers mind away from that important point.

Had we been there we would have been screaming “crucify him!”


16 posted on 03/12/2018 4:36:25 AM PDT by Gamecock (The greatest threat to humanity is not "out there" but "in here" in the recesses of the soul. TK)
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With out the crucifixion of Christ we would not have Christianity. God set in motion the events that killed Jesus. It doesn’t matter who we think caused those events. It was meant to be and played out perfectly . Whom ever we blame could not have changed those events. It was all ready written.


17 posted on 03/12/2018 4:54:49 AM PDT by spincaster
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Who was responsible? The Jews or the Romans?

Well; if we read the widespread Book that contains the reports of this world-changing event...

18 posted on 03/12/2018 4:57:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Throughout the centuries, this has sometimes had tragic consequences, resulting in anti-Semitism and violence against Jews.



Did folks have SO little knowledge about Jesus and His message?

He HAD to be crucified!

19 posted on 03/12/2018 5:27:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Jesus himself the Jews were most to blame. He told Pilate: “He who delivered me over to you has the greater sin” Jn 19.11


20 posted on 03/12/2018 5:27:54 AM PDT by circlecity
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