Posted on 12/30/2017 4:18:26 AM PST by JosephJames
I don’t see any evidence in your post of the claim that salvation is found only in the Roman church.
In Scripture, salvation is in the Christ - not in a church of any denomination.
I find it amazing that people who profess to be “christians” think they need not obey the Ten Commandments.
Congratulations on your son’s ordination. I have profound respect for the LCMS pastors we have had as they are true scholars of the Word.
Posting the passage by chapter and verse would be appreciated....as you’ve been asked to before. I’m pretty sure obstanice is a mortal sin in some capacity.
“MomMD is NOT lying.”
If she’s saying I said what she posted, she is. Otherwise, no, she just doesn’t know what’s talking about any more than you do.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
But never mind. Keep cutting each other to ribbons because there are so many versions of the "one true religion," each denying that all the others are valid.
So Mormons are Christians?
There likely are some Mormon Christians just as there likely are some Catholic Christians...
Would you do your best to keep the Ten Commandments if you knew you didn't have to???
No...The Ten Commandments are our schoolmaster...To teach us how to please God and live like Christians...
Do you have a favorite commandment you routinely break? Maybe the first one? Those that claim to be in Christ and claim the Ten are no longer in effect, will get basic Christianity training, during the 'day of the LORD'..
Similar experience here too. I am not sweating it much.
For the last time...if you’re basing your salvation on keeping the Ten, you’ve gotta keep all 614.
Well how about you??? Would you try to obey the Ten Commandments if you didn’t have to???
If the Activity tab worked, this story is worth a ‘bump’.
JoMa
That’s about how I was a Catholic. I lived in constant fear, that I wouldn’t survive till the next day, when I could get the confessional. I thought God was mean and just wanted to zap me. After a few years of that, I realized I couldn’t stop committing mortal sins, so I thought I was in deep kimchi.
Thank God I have Jesus there’s more wealth in my soul.
I find your question quite strange. What did 'Jesus' command? To demonstrate 'belief' in Him, it is quite a natural ebb and flow to keep His Commandments... The New Testament by design elaborates for the follower of Christ as to how one 'naturally' in these flesh bodies always falls short. However, we are NO longer required under the law to shed blood to seek forgiveness... That is the only law that is no longer in effect. Christ became the One and for all time perfect blood sacrifice... and we since that sacrifice are graced to not be required to offer blood sacrifices... I know I am blessed.
Ouch, that’s going to leave a scar. I don’t think many have any assurance of salvation. I certainly do. 😀😁 Sorry If others don’t.
You are correct MM. There are tons of people who are going to Hell, that think they are going to Heaven. I think the majority of people who go to Hell, are bitterly surprised when they get there.
I see you are still committing the sin of presumption. 😄😀 So am I. It’s a beautiful thing. Everyone should try it. 😱👍
The Law was put into place to show us our need for Christ and to lead us to Him that we would be justified BY FAITH.
The intent of the Law was NEVER to make one righteous before God. It can't do that.
It's purpose is to show us God's holiness, the kind of righteousness that we need to have to see God, and to show us that we can't reach it.
Besides, even if you could keep the law perfectly except for one sin, you'd still be condemned. One sin is all it takes to condemn you so the first one you commit, no matter how small, and you're toast.
Galatians 2:15-21 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor. For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:1-29 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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