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Full title "Pope Francis calls for Lord's Prayer to be altered as current wording suggests God is capable of leading people 'into temptation'
1 posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Thanks for the input but lets just go ahead and leave that the way it is.


51 posted on 12/07/2017 7:03:52 PM PST by greenishness
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Yeah, Jesus Christ might have misspoken when He instructed us to pray those words. Thank God we have a Pope who can correct the Son of God on His error. /sarc

What a deeyoosh.

56 posted on 12/07/2017 8:04:31 PM PST by 60Gunner (The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato)
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Frankie, you are not supposed to change the words of Our Lord. He kinda frowns on things like that.


58 posted on 12/07/2017 9:43:59 PM PST by Slyfox (Are you tired of winning yet?)
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I've wondered about that phrase since I was a little girl. Why would you pray to God asking Him to not do something He wouldn't do, anyway?

My pop was a preacher and I asked him about it once, "Why does that verse imply He would lead us into temptation unless we ask Him not to?" Pop said something to the effect that the verse means you're asking Him to protect you from being tempted.

Well, yeah, but that's not what it says...

59 posted on 12/08/2017 2:51:16 AM PST by Nellie Wilkerson
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I bring evil

Methinks the Pontiff does not read his bible as much as he should.

63 posted on 12/08/2017 4:12:52 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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What a total nut. The prayer means man is tempted but God can help lead us away. Never in my life would I have ever called a Pope an ass but since this freak is a fake pope then $)^&^%_)*(@$%&!


65 posted on 12/08/2017 5:50:05 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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Popes really do think they are above the Word of God.


67 posted on 12/08/2017 5:53:33 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Goblins, Orcs and the Undead: Metaphors for the godless left.)
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Pope Franken Strikes Again


72 posted on 12/08/2017 8:15:16 AM PST by Songcraft
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bump


80 posted on 12/09/2017 5:44:59 AM PST by foreverfree
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Hey!

Rome’s had about 2000 years to translate it ‘right’.

Perhaps Mary forgot to tell some children somewhere all about it.


93 posted on 12/09/2017 1:48:21 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Bible says more than once God hardened Pharo’s heart. I think there are still many things no man understands about God.


104 posted on 12/09/2017 2:20:36 PM PST by kjam22
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I’m sure Frank has lots of changes he wants to make.
May as well start with the Lords prayer. S/


112 posted on 12/09/2017 6:31:59 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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Let no man, when he is tempted, say that he is tempted by God. For God is not a tempter of evils, and he tempteth no man. But every man is tempted by his own concupiscence, being drawn away and allured. Then when concupiscence hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin. But sin, when it is completed, begetteth death.

James, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses thirteen to fifteen,
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)



peirasmos: an experiment, a trial, temptation
πειρασμόν


πειρασμόν (peirasmon) — 11 Occurrences

Englishman's Concordance
πειρασμόν (peirasmon) — 11 Occurrences
Matthew 6:13 N-AMS
GRK: ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι
NAS: And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver
KJV: not into temptation, but deliver
INT: us into temptation but deliver

Matthew 26:41 N-AMS
GRK: εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν τὸ μὲν
NAS: that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit
KJV: not into temptation: the spirit indeed
INT: you enter into temptation the indeed

Mark 14:38 N-AMS
GRK: ἔλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν τὸ μὲν
NAS: that you may not come into temptation; the spirit
KJV: into temptation. The spirit
INT: you enter into temptation The indeed

Luke 4:13 N-AMS
GRK: συντελέσας πάντα πειρασμὸν ὁ διάβολος
NAS: every temptation, he left
KJV: all the temptation, he departed
INT: having finished every temptation the devil

Luke 11:4 N-AMS
GRK: ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι
NAS: to us. And lead us not into temptation.'
KJV: not into temptation; but deliver
INT: us into temptation but deliver

Luke 22:40 N-AMS
GRK: εἰσελθεῖν εἰς πειρασμόν 
NAS: that you may not enter into temptation.
KJV: not into temptation.
INT: to enter into temptation

Luke 22:46 N-AMS
GRK: εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν 
NAS: that you may not enter into temptation.
KJV: ye enter into temptation.
INT: you might enter into temptation

Galatians 4:14 N-AMS
GRK: καὶ τὸν πειρασμὸν ὑμῶν ἐν
NAS: and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition
KJV: And my temptation which was in my
INT: and the test of you in

1 Timothy 6:9 N-AMS
GRK: ἐμπίπτουσιν εἰς πειρασμὸν καὶ παγίδα
NAS: fall into temptation and a snare
KJV: fall into temptation and a snare,
INT: fall into temptation and a snare

James 1:12 N-AMS
GRK: ὃς ὑπομένει πειρασμόν ὅτι δόκιμος
NAS: perseveres under trial; for once he has been
KJV: endureth temptation: for
INT: who endures trial because proved

1 Peter 4:12 N-AMS
GRK: πυρώσει πρὸς πειρασμὸν ὑμῖν γινομένῃ
NAS: you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though
KJV: is to try you, as
INT: fire for trial to you [which is] taking place


115 posted on 12/09/2017 6:54:25 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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Let no man, when he is tempted, say that he is tempted by God. For God is not a tempter of evils, and he tempteth no man. But every man is tempted by his own concupiscence, being drawn away and allured. Then when concupiscence hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin. But sin, when it is completed, begetteth death.

James, Catholic chapter one, Protestant verses thirteen to fifteen,
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)



peirasmos: an experiment, a trial, temptation
πειρασμόν


πειρασμόν (peirasmon) — 11 Occurrences

Englishman's Concordance
πειρασμόν (peirasmon) — 11 Occurrences
Matthew 6:13 N-AMS
GRK: ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι
NAS: And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver
KJV: not into temptation, but deliver
INT: us into temptation but deliver

Matthew 26:41 N-AMS
GRK: εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν τὸ μὲν
NAS: that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit
KJV: not into temptation: the spirit indeed
INT: you enter into temptation the indeed

Mark 14:38 N-AMS
GRK: ἔλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν τὸ μὲν
NAS: that you may not come into temptation; the spirit
KJV: into temptation. The spirit
INT: you enter into temptation The indeed

Luke 4:13 N-AMS
GRK: συντελέσας πάντα πειρασμὸν ὁ διάβολος
NAS: every temptation, he left
KJV: all the temptation, he departed
INT: having finished every temptation the devil

Luke 11:4 N-AMS
GRK: ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι
NAS: to us. And lead us not into temptation.'
KJV: not into temptation; but deliver
INT: us into temptation but deliver

Luke 22:40 N-AMS
GRK: εἰσελθεῖν εἰς πειρασμόν 
NAS: that you may not enter into temptation.
KJV: not into temptation.
INT: to enter into temptation

Luke 22:46 N-AMS
GRK: εἰσέλθητε εἰς πειρασμόν 
NAS: that you may not enter into temptation.
KJV: ye enter into temptation.
INT: you might enter into temptation

Galatians 4:14 N-AMS
GRK: καὶ τὸν πειρασμὸν ὑμῶν ἐν
NAS: and that which was a trial to you in my bodily condition
KJV: And my temptation which was in my
INT: and the test of you in

1 Timothy 6:9 N-AMS
GRK: ἐμπίπτουσιν εἰς πειρασμὸν καὶ παγίδα
NAS: fall into temptation and a snare
KJV: fall into temptation and a snare,
INT: fall into temptation and a snare

James 1:12 N-AMS
GRK: ὃς ὑπομένει πειρασμόν ὅτι δόκιμος
NAS: perseveres under trial; for once he has been
KJV: endureth temptation: for
INT: who endures trial because proved

1 Peter 4:12 N-AMS
GRK: πυρώσει πρὸς πειρασμὸν ὑμῖν γινομένῃ
NAS: you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though
KJV: is to try you, as
INT: fire for trial to you [which is] taking place


116 posted on 12/09/2017 6:54:25 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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