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Pope Francis Calls for Lord's Prayer to be Altered as Current Wording Suggests God....
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^
| 12/8/17
| Reporters
Posted on 12/07/2017 5:16:35 PM PST by marshmallow
Pope Francis has called on the Roman Catholic Church to alter the Lords Prayer because he believes the current translation suggests God is capable of leading us into temptation.
Instead, Our father, which is the best known prayer in Christianity, should be said using the phrasing adopted by French bishops, which reads as do not let us enter into temptation.
The alternative wording used in France implies that it is through human fault that people are led to sin, rather than by God.
The pontiff made the suggestion during a televised interview on Wednesday evening, in which he claimed that the traditional phrasing was not a good translation.
I am the one who falls. Its not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen, he continued. A father doesnt do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. Its Satan who leads us into temptation, thats his department.
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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Prayer; Theology
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Full title "Pope Francis calls for Lord's Prayer to be altered as current wording suggests God is capable of leading people 'into temptation'
To: marshmallow
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:18:20 PM PST
by
Artemis Webb
(Maxine Waters for House Minority Leader!!)
Comment #3 Removed by Moderator
To: Artemis Webb
Pope Freakshow needs a lobotomy.
To: marshmallow
Francis worships the devil.
Deal with it.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:21:22 PM PST
by
Eddie01
To: marshmallow; metmom; Mark17; daniel1212
And FRoman Catholics elsewhere on FR are blaming Luther for the world’s problems.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:22:19 PM PST
by
Gamecock
(The greatest threat to humanity is not "out there" but "in here" in the recesses of the soul. TK)
Comment #7 Removed by Moderator
To: marshmallow
So why was it translated “wrongly” to begin with?
I suspect it’s not but I’ve only ever read the translation.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:24:02 PM PST
by
Skywise
To: Gamecock; marshmallow; Mark17; daniel1212
We won’t be seeing that for a while.
Depends on how long the current suspension is for and if it’s a suspension.
As for this topic, the Catholics sure have their hands full with this pope.
He’s really gone over the line on this one.
What CHUTZPAH to presume to correct the wording of Jesus.
Some things you just don’t mess with.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:24:55 PM PST
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: marshmallow
My wife’s best friend says nothing scares her more than her free will. Not leading us into temptation seems like an acknowledgement of our frailty. That is also the reason I never pray for patience. I have trials of sufficient severity as it is.
To: marshmallow
Ummmmm, so what do the autographs of the Greek say, using Majority Text Principle?
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:25:53 PM PST
by
Salvavida
(The Missouri citizen's militia sends its regards.)
To: marshmallow
Current wording suggests God is capable of leading people ‘into temptation’
It seems that the current Pope may be capable of doing this.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:26:08 PM PST
by
Hieronymus
(It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
To: marshmallow
So he wants to re-write Jesus?
Reall?
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:26:50 PM PST
by
BenLurkin
(The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
To: marshmallow
Frankie the Poop’s inner demon is screaming to get out.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:27:32 PM PST
by
Kalamata
To: Skywise; ealgeone
I don’t think it was.
At this link to the verse in Luke 11, there are options for looking at the Greek and then on to a Strong’s for translating.
It seems to have been properly translated by virtually translation listed at the link.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:32:24 PM PST
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: marshmallow
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:32:48 PM PST
by
facedown
(Armed in the Heartland)
To: Salvavida
Manuscripts, not autographs. All the autographs are, so far as we known, long gone. Some Greek verb forms don't really have close correspondence with a particular English form. The key verb here is a subjunctive aorist, and we don't have an aorist--and neither does Latin. That the negative is μὴ is of some significance as well--but I will want to consult grammars before commenting further. The verb itself means literally to bear or cary inward, and the prepositional prefix indicating inward appears two words later as a free-standing prefix, so there is a real emphasis on the inward aspect. I'll try to check the best witness into the Hebrew tomorrow.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:33:02 PM PST
by
Hieronymus
(It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
To: metmom
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:33:21 PM PST
by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
To: marshmallow
The only way that Pope Francis avoids having to account to Jesus for this is if he is thrown alive into the Eternal Lake of Fire. Either way it works for me.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:33:41 PM PST
by
SubMareener
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To: Artemis Webb
And a Marxist lunatic at that.
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posted on
12/07/2017 5:33:43 PM PST
by
LIConFem
(I will no longer accept the things I cannot change. it's time to change the things I cannot accept.)
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